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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 327418" data-attributes="member: 4937">Tyler: The main reason we've been able to keep this thread from devolving is that up until this point the vast majority of the posters have been those that have a great deal of respect for the Judeo-Christian narrative whether they believe in it or not.  Please don't tempt some newish Christian in to preaching hell fire and brimstone to you by twisting the narrative to suit your own purpose antithetical to the tradiation.  It can be assumed that anyone who wants to do that is perfectly capable of stating out 'god' however they like.  If we can keep the discussion semi-orthodox and not too glib, it will help.  Thanks.Wycht: I don't want to get into a huge OT theological debate.  Suffice to say that in a monotheistic religion which persumes a competant creator, you have a hard time dealing with the existance of evil - so much so that throughout history, Christians (some as respectable as St. Augustine) themselves have tried to explain it away by making Satan a god (without actually using those words).  Dualism is always creeping into Christianity in one form or the other, and the Milton myth has largely replaced orthodox understanding of the problem.  Certainly the Milton myth is more 'gameable', intuitive, and cinematic.</blockquote>