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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 7914479" data-attributes="member: 63508">I think there has too be some community issue with Sorcerer. It can't be second class to Wizard by accident. I think at some level, people aren't trying. It's not like the druid where turn undead could have been swapped for wild shape and have druids just be nature/animal/plant/fungi clerics. There is something in us that keeps making up halfway do the concept then get mad that we can't replicate the innate spellcasters of modern fantasy. D&D had the chance to push a fully fleshedout sorcerer, a sorcerer subclass, or a core sorcerer DM option so we wouldn't have this issue. Personally I would do a learned, innate, and divine version of magical, martial and skill classes. Then have the granted magical class and halfcaster class for the remainder. That's all you can do at this point. You can't roll it back to 3-5 classes anymore.</blockquote>