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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7914604" data-attributes="member: 93670">Wizard: Armor: NoneWeapons: Daggers, darts, slings, quarterstaffs, light crossbows Tools: NoneSkills: Choose two from Arcana, History, Insight, Investigation, Medicine, and ReligionSorcererArmor: Light armor Weapons: Simple weapons (ie light crossbows plus club, dagger, greatclub, handaxe, javelinlight hammer, mace, quarterstaff, sickle, spear, unarmed strike, dart, shortbow, &amp; sling)Tools: NoneSkills: Choose two skills from Arcana, Deception, History, Intimidation, Investigation, Nature, and ReligionThere is also the problem of massive overlap between spell lists including nearly every one of what many people in this thread called the &quot;right spells&quot; that must be taken. for viability.&nbsp; Sorcerer;s have a little dragon in their DNA so can just know four of the six skills wizards can learn plus a bunch of weapons plus light armor and cast pretty all of much the same spells as wizard at the table. with the added benefit of a prime attribute that has a bunch of useful social skills attached to it...&nbsp; Maybe sorcerer's can stop pretending to be wizards &amp; find a niche of their own other than <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0" target="_blank">this</a> before you worry about wizards with &quot;sorcerer toys&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7914604, member: 93670"] Wizard: Armor: [B]None[/B] Weapons: Daggers, darts, slings, quarterstaffs, light crossbows Tools: None Skills: Choose two from [B][U]Arcana[/U][/B], [B]History[/B], Insight, [B]Investigation[/B], Medicine, and [B]Religion[/B] Sorcerer Armor: [B]Light armor[/B] Weapons: Simple weapons (ie light crossbows [B]plus[/B] club, dagger, greatclub, handaxe, javelinlight hammer, mace, quarterstaff, sickle, spear, unarmed strike, dart, shortbow, & sling) Tools: None Skills: Choose two skills from [B][U]Arcana[/U][/B], Deception, [B]History[/B], Intimidation, [B]Investigation[/B], Nature, and [B]Religion[/B] There is also the problem of massive overlap between spell lists including nearly every one of what many people in this thread called the "right spells" that must be taken. for viability. Sorcerer;s have a little dragon in their DNA so can just know four of the six skills wizards can learn plus a bunch of weapons [I]plus [/I]light armor [I][U]and[/U][/I] cast pretty all of much the same spells as wizard at the table. with the added benefit of a prime attribute that has a bunch of useful social skills attached to it... Maybe sorcerer's can stop pretending to be wizards & find a niche of their own other than [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0']this[/URL] before you worry about wizards with "sorcerer toys"? [/QUOTE]

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