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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7915504" data-attributes="member: 7006">What does that have to do with anything I was saying?&nbsp; I don't give a rat's ass if the sorcerer is &quot;popular&quot; with other people.And thus you apparently missed my point entirely.&nbsp; I wonder if you even read or understood what I said?My point was not to try and figure out &quot;Hey, is The Hulk a wizard or a sorcerer if you made him as a D&amp;D character?&quot;&nbsp; That's a stupid question whose answer means nothing.The point was about how someone GAINED their powers.&nbsp; In this case, Bruce Banner actually had a story as to how he gained the powers of The Hulk.&nbsp; The whole &quot;scientist gets hit with gamma radiation&quot; story that lead up to becoming The Hulk.&nbsp; Just like Clerics have a story about being devout members of the church and making a connection with their deity and the deity granting them the power to be their champion.&nbsp; Both the cleric and Bruce Banner had to actually DO something to gain their power.The sorcerer and the X-Men?&nbsp; They just have powers.&nbsp; No idea why, didn't have to do anything for them, they just have magic/superpowers without needing any explanation.&nbsp; Which as I said, I find less than compelling from a story perspective.&nbsp; I'm not saying the characters are BAD or that other people are BAD for liking them, nor even that they can't have interesting stories going forward.&nbsp; Of course they can.&nbsp; But just on the creation aspect of becoming a person with magic or superpowers... I think the story of how Peter Parker gained his abilities by having to be bitten by a radioactive spider and then undergoing a dramatic change on a cellular level and how/why a person made the choice to start studying how to become a wizard and then is able to accomplish incredible feats of magic are just more interesting.First of all.. &quot;With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility&quot; says nothing whatsoever about you gain power.&nbsp; The saying applies to anyone with great power, so saying its only for sorcerers and accidental warlocks is just not true.If you think so, fine.&nbsp; I don't agree.Oh, and by the way... Luke Skywalker wouldn't be a &quot;sorcerer&quot;... if we're going to play that game, he's be a cleric.&nbsp; He became a disciple of an ancient religion that he was told about and taught how to use.&nbsp; He didn't just realize he could use force powers back on the farm on his own... a higher-ranking religious instructor Obi-Wan Kenobi had to bring him into the fold, teach him about the Jedi religion, and then Luke had to work at it to actually start using it.&nbsp; Now yes, I'm sure you'll come back with &quot;But there's no Jedi god, so he can't be a cleric!&quot; ridiculousness... but that's why trying to make one-for-one comparisons to D&amp;D classes is ultimately silly.&nbsp; But to think Luke just &quot;became&quot; a Jedi through some weird twist of fate and started walking around wearing robes and mind-controlling people without first going through all the instruction and training to do so is just wrong, in my opinion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7915504, member: 7006"] What does that have to do with anything I was saying? I don't give a rat's ass if the sorcerer is "popular" with other people. And thus you apparently missed my point entirely. I wonder if you even read or understood what I said? My point was not to try and figure out "Hey, is The Hulk a wizard or a sorcerer if you made him as a D&D character?" That's a stupid question whose answer means nothing. The point was about how someone GAINED their powers. In this case, Bruce Banner actually had a story as to how he gained the powers of The Hulk. The whole "scientist gets hit with gamma radiation" story that lead up to becoming The Hulk. Just like Clerics have a story about being devout members of the church and making a connection with their deity and the deity granting them the power to be their champion. Both the cleric and Bruce Banner had to actually DO something to gain their power. The sorcerer and the X-Men? They just have powers. No idea why, didn't have to do anything for them, they just have magic/superpowers without needing any explanation. Which as I said, I find less than compelling from a story perspective. I'm not saying the characters are BAD or that other people are BAD for liking them, nor even that they can't have interesting stories [I]going forward[/I]. Of course they can. But just on the [I]creation[/I] aspect of becoming a person with magic or superpowers... I think the story of how Peter Parker gained his abilities by having to be bitten by a radioactive spider and then undergoing a dramatic change on a cellular level and how/why a person made the choice to start studying how to become a wizard and then is able to accomplish incredible feats of magic are just more interesting. First of all.. "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" says nothing whatsoever about you gain power. The saying applies to [I]anyone[/I] with great power, so saying its only for sorcerers and accidental warlocks is just not true. If you think so, fine. I don't agree. Oh, and by the way... Luke Skywalker wouldn't be a "sorcerer"... if we're going to play that game, he's be a cleric. He became a disciple of an ancient religion that he was told about and taught how to use. He didn't just realize he could use force powers back on the farm on his own... a higher-ranking religious instructor Obi-Wan Kenobi had to bring him into the fold, teach him about the Jedi religion, and then Luke had to work at it to actually start using it. Now yes, I'm sure you'll come back with "But there's no Jedi god, so he can't be a cleric!" ridiculousness... but that's why trying to make one-for-one comparisons to D&D classes is ultimately silly. But to think Luke just "became" a Jedi through some weird twist of fate and started walking around wearing robes and mind-controlling people without first going through all the instruction and training to do so is just wrong, in my opinion. [/QUOTE]

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