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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7915807" data-attributes="member: 5142">I have read it each time you posted it, but I can't say that I find the argument of your post persuasive no matter how many times you repeat it. A wizard doesn't get light armor? Okay. Mage Armor provides better AC.&nbsp; And it's not as if those extra weapon proficiencies the sorcerer has are meaningful or part of some munchkin power fantasy, especially not when a sorcerer and wizard will both mostly fall back onto their blasting cantrips. And sure, the Sorcerer has an overlap of some knowledge skills, but they will likely not have a high Intelligence, unlike the Wizard, so the Sorcerer may take Arcana for flavor and then are &quot;strongly encouraged&quot; by the nature of the system to invest in Charisma-based skills by virtue of their higher Charisma. But you know, if it helps, you can post the superficial overlaps again and pretend that you made a meaningfully persuasive argument. Wizards and Sorcerers had the same exact spell list - no difference whatsoever - in 3e D&amp;D. The fact that WotC bothered to take any effort to distinguish the spell lists for wizards and sorcerers is miraculous, even if they did a poor job of it. It's juts a shame that wizards are favored so heavily in their spell choices in comparison with the Sorcerer, particularly given that some subclasses or draconic types don't have equal access to thematically appropriate spells. And there is also overlap between the spell lists of wizards with that of other arcane casters, such as bards and warlocks. Funny how that happened. The wizard still dominates with their number of available spells that they can potentially learn. Yeah, it's just the wicked Sorcerer's fault, isn't it? Poor wizards, ever the victim of those nasty, power-gaming Sorcerers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7915807, member: 5142"] I have read it each time you posted it, but I can't say that I find the argument of your post persuasive no matter how many times you repeat it. A wizard doesn't get light armor? Okay. Mage Armor provides better AC. And it's not as if those extra weapon proficiencies the sorcerer has are meaningful or part of some munchkin power fantasy, especially not when a sorcerer and wizard will both mostly fall back onto their blasting cantrips. And sure, the Sorcerer has an overlap of some knowledge skills, but they will likely not have a high Intelligence, unlike the Wizard, so the Sorcerer may take Arcana for flavor and then are "strongly encouraged" by the nature of the system to invest in Charisma-based skills by virtue of their higher Charisma. But you know, if it helps, you can post the superficial overlaps again and pretend that you made a meaningfully persuasive argument. Wizards and Sorcerers had the same exact spell list - no difference whatsoever - in 3e D&D. The fact that WotC bothered to take any effort to distinguish the spell lists for wizards and sorcerers is miraculous, even if they did a poor job of it. It's juts a shame that wizards are favored so heavily in their spell choices in comparison with the Sorcerer, particularly given that some subclasses or draconic types don't have equal access to thematically appropriate spells. And there is also overlap between the spell lists of wizards with that of other arcane casters, such as bards and warlocks. Funny how that happened. The wizard still dominates with their number of available spells that they can potentially learn. Yeah, it's just the wicked Sorcerer's fault, isn't it? Poor wizards, ever the victim of those nasty, power-gaming Sorcerers. [/QUOTE]

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