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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7915999" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>...which requires that the Sorcerer pick the draconic bloodline subclass. Also UA Sorcerer options mean jack. Got anything better? How about the comparison between Wizard and Warlock proficiencies? It's been a page since you've posted that. I bet you're itching to post it again. </p><p></p><p>I don't recall implying that "the wizard has massive amounts of wizard specific stuff," as I thought that this would be self-evident, but whatever. </p><p></p><p>Spells are toys for casters. Wizards get a larger spell list, more spells known and prepared, and the largest default list of ritual spells. </p><p></p><p>As it turns out, a Sorlock is not a Sorcerer nor is it a class in the 5e Player's Handbook. </p><p></p><p>The Sorcerer and Wizard share three skills: Arcana, Insight, and Religion, which all favor the Wizard's higher Intelligence. The Wizard additionally has History, Investigation, and Medicine, which favor the Wizard's higher Intelligence. The Sorcerer additionally has Deception, Intimidation, and Persuasion, which favor a Sorcerer's higher Charisma. Also, this is mostly a moot point in 5e due to Backgrounds, which allows a tremendous amount of flexibility for characters of all classes. </p><p></p><p>Also, that's not a virtually identical spell list. If it was, then people playing the various Sorcerer subclasses would not be complaining about the lack of thematically appropriate spells that Sorcerers lack that Wizards have. While you are at it, assuming you actually wanted a consistent argument, you should complain about the Warlocks and Bards stealing the spell lists of Wizards. </p><p></p><p>You are right: they felt very different. Wizard was a godlike Tier 1 class and Sorcerer was a Tier 2 class that was largely considered a "2nd class wizard." And when thinking of their godlike status in 3e, Wizards hated their lot in 4e so much that they stole the Sorcerer's spontaneous casting for 5e. But clearly the problem is the Sorcerer and not the fact that WotC improving the lot of Wizards.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7915999, member: 5142"] ...which requires that the Sorcerer pick the draconic bloodline subclass. Also UA Sorcerer options mean jack. Got anything better? How about the comparison between Wizard and Warlock proficiencies? It's been a page since you've posted that. I bet you're itching to post it again. I don't recall implying that "the wizard has massive amounts of wizard specific stuff," as I thought that this would be self-evident, but whatever. Spells are toys for casters. Wizards get a larger spell list, more spells known and prepared, and the largest default list of ritual spells. As it turns out, a Sorlock is not a Sorcerer nor is it a class in the 5e Player's Handbook. The Sorcerer and Wizard share three skills: Arcana, Insight, and Religion, which all favor the Wizard's higher Intelligence. The Wizard additionally has History, Investigation, and Medicine, which favor the Wizard's higher Intelligence. The Sorcerer additionally has Deception, Intimidation, and Persuasion, which favor a Sorcerer's higher Charisma. Also, this is mostly a moot point in 5e due to Backgrounds, which allows a tremendous amount of flexibility for characters of all classes. Also, that's not a virtually identical spell list. If it was, then people playing the various Sorcerer subclasses would not be complaining about the lack of thematically appropriate spells that Sorcerers lack that Wizards have. While you are at it, assuming you actually wanted a consistent argument, you should complain about the Warlocks and Bards stealing the spell lists of Wizards. You are right: they felt very different. Wizard was a godlike Tier 1 class and Sorcerer was a Tier 2 class that was largely considered a "2nd class wizard." And when thinking of their godlike status in 3e, Wizards hated their lot in 4e so much that they stole the Sorcerer's spontaneous casting for 5e. But clearly the problem is the Sorcerer and not the fact that WotC improving the lot of Wizards. [/QUOTE]
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