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<blockquote data-quote="oreofox" data-source="post: 7916896" data-attributes="member: 6776240">You keep saying sorcerers stole pretty much everything from the wizard. What did they steal? Metamagic? That wasn't something taken away from the wizard. Metamagic was something EVERY spellcaster had in 3rd edition. And it sucked for sorcerers and bards because adding metamagic to a spell increased the casting time to a full round, whereas the wizard, cleric, and druid didnt' get gimped that way.Is the thing they stole getting new spell levels at odd levels instead of even levels? Again, not a wizard-only thing. That was shared by the cleric and druid as well. So, the wizard's toolbox that was stolen by sorcerers is spells only? Despite having separate lists in 5e instead of the exact same like in 3e. How dare the sorcerer (an arcane spellcaster) have similar spells as the wizard (an arcane spellcaster). It's like saying the druid stole the cleric's spell list because they have numerous spells that are the same. And those bards! How dare they steal spells from clerics and the almighty wizards!So please, enlighten me on what was a solely wizard only tool in its toolbox that the sorcerer stole. WITHOUT copy/pasting the same crap you already did 5 other times about them having arcana (the horror!) for a skill. Despite any arcana check done by a sorcerer being inferior to one from the wizard due to their higher Int scores. Also, wizards were never socially inclined. Sorcerers &quot;stole&quot; that from bards only because WotC decided to make sorcerers Charisma based spellcasters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="oreofox, post: 7916896, member: 6776240"] You keep saying sorcerers stole pretty much everything from the wizard. What did they steal? Metamagic? That wasn't something taken away from the wizard. Metamagic was something EVERY spellcaster had in 3rd edition. And it sucked for sorcerers and bards because adding metamagic to a spell increased the casting time to a full round, whereas the wizard, cleric, and druid didnt' get gimped that way. Is the thing they stole getting new spell levels at odd levels instead of even levels? Again, not a wizard-only thing. That was shared by the cleric and druid as well. So, the wizard's toolbox that was stolen by sorcerers is spells only? Despite having separate lists in 5e instead of the exact same like in 3e. How dare the sorcerer (an arcane spellcaster) have similar spells as the wizard (an arcane spellcaster). It's like saying the druid stole the cleric's spell list because they have numerous spells that are the same. And those bards! How dare they steal spells from clerics and the almighty wizards! So please, enlighten me on what was a solely wizard only tool in its toolbox that the sorcerer stole. WITHOUT copy/pasting the same crap you already did 5 other times about them having arcana (the horror!) for a skill. Despite any arcana check done by a sorcerer being inferior to one from the wizard due to their higher Int scores. Also, wizards were never socially inclined. Sorcerers "stole" that from bards only because WotC decided to make sorcerers Charisma based spellcasters. [/QUOTE]

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