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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7917389" data-attributes="member: 93670">I'm not sure what specifically you'r trying to prove with "spells known" since wizard does not "know spells" unless you are trying to suggest that this hypothetical 5th level wizard somehow has an intelligence of 28(+9) at level 5 in order to prepare level+9 spells?[ATTACH=full]118352[/ATTACH]but congratulations, you answered <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/on-whether-sorcerers-and-wizards-should-be-merged-or-not-they-shouldnt.670175/post-7917193" target="_blank">your own question</a> & pretended that I asked said question with a rather random l yet meaningless list.  Both will gave 4/4/3/2 spell slots & there is a lot of overlap during combat, the wizard is apparently managed to max out intelligence at 20 by level 5 & obtain a +8 intel epic boon/magic item to prepare 15 spells at level 5. None of those spells on either list are ritual & all of them are from the level range wotc started or finished creating ritual spells for& collecting the expected ones for the group at those levels tends to put a severe strain on the wizard's spell selection unless they get reallly lucky to find a spellbook with some... The fact that this wizard has not found any spellbooks at level 5 is not particularly unusual but odd considering the apparent romantic relations going on, but it wouldn't be uncommon to find scrolls not worth/not capable of scribing.  The sorcerer knows one more cantrip from the same selection of cantrips available to the wizard.  The sorcerer knows six spells but the wizard is dating the GM and engaging in erotic acts with their <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_other" target="_blank">SO</a> during game without scaring off the sorcerer & other players?On a serious note though, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though & say that you are trying to show that the wizard spellbook can contain more spells, that was never something debated though.  Spells in a spellbook only matter if they are prepared or ritual but none of those are ritual & you didn't mention the int mod on the hypothetical wizard.  At level 5 the sorcerer also has the level 1 benefits of their sorcerous origin, font of magic/flexible casting,  &  metamagic.  You included mage armor, so we can assume this sorcerer is not a draconic bloodline?  Both will probably be mostly casting the same spells, although it's rare that sleep>thunderwave is a good teamwork combo. by ten I'd expect the wizard to have all the ritual spells expected & the sorcerer will have made significant strides in bridging the spells known/spells prepped & regularly used gap.TL;DR I have no idea what you are trying to prove my attributing the source of <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/on-whether-sorcerers-and-wizards-should-be-merged-or-not-they-shouldnt.670175/page-18#post-7917193" target="_blank">your own bizarre question to me</a>, so all  I can do is put my tongue firmly in my confused cheek & joke about it.</blockquote>

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