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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7917871" data-attributes="member: 93670">No, it's exactly the opposite for some spells that are created by wotc in a way that is deliberately overpowered for their level, conveniently sorcerer's share them with wizard or people trumpeting the mere presence of wizard specific spells would have immediately rattled them off on one of the many times they were asked to list top shelf wizard only spells... <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/177-spell-spotlight-fireball" target="_blank">For example</a>...If the sorcerer is not losing out on these spells with their smaller spell list & the wizard is not gaining any meaningful options, do they counterbalance the class specific tools granted to sorcerer given that using those tools would often result in them being mechanically disadvantaged by choosing to play in a way wotc tried to idiscourage? Simply saying that more spells exist does not answer the question or complete an argument that they counterbalance the class specific stuff that does grant significant mechanical benefits in playThaat's quite the stretch, and an absurd one at that. Ritual spells are unfinished & you quit frothing about them so presumably have noticed that dead end of a strawman.  The "many more" spells amount to a handful of spells across each of the nine levels of spells with many many of them spread through levels that statistically are rarely ever actually played at tables.  You are once again resorting to what amounts to "prove me wrong" rather than addressing the problems with your argument... but hey, if your argument is so weak that you can't by doing things like listing the spells you think are top shelf among those 93 we weigh if the distribution of top self spells is properly arranged across levels actually seen at the table or if the apparent unfinished state of ritual spells is proper to to a focus shift elsewhere to balance out all the class features sorcerer's bring to the table vrs the spells that wizards have... it's ok to admit your argument is an empty strawman that can't support your claim that those spells alone are sufficient.</blockquote>

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