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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7918056" data-attributes="member: 6750235">You seem to be presenting biased opinion as fact here.  This is what the PHB states on spell levels:The differences are in which pillars, how often used, and how situational a spell might be.  Spells are definitely power ranked by estimated spell level.You would need to back up the intent of the developers that you are claiming with some citation of some sort.You also seem to be arguing from the presumption that sorcerers are actually getting to take all the spells the character wants to take.  What you are actually doing is claiming a arbitrary number that suits your argument and not backing that number up.  IME, playing a wizard or sorcerer forces making a choice in spells known vs prepped (and scribed) where both classes still want good spells they cannot afford to take.  The difference is the sorcerer is impacted more in those choices because of the gap in known vs prepped (or learned).Simply generating a buzz word phrase like "top shelf" does demonstrate any argument without context behind or application of the mechanics involved.  A spell does not actually have to be "top shelf" to be useful.  I use glyph of warding all the time even if it's not "top shelf", for example.  That option isn't even available to me on a sorcerer and even if it were I would not have room to add it.Again, citation needed.  There's no evidence ritual spells are unfinished as opposed to deliberately limited.There are, however, rituals commonly taken regardless of whether a person chooses to believe the list is incomplete or not.  Find familiar and Leomund's tiny hut are considered excellent.  Alarm, detect magic, comprehend languages, identify, and unseen servant are all pretty common.  I like using magic mouth and Dramij's instant summons although that last one is rather expensive so no so common.  A lot of people like water breathing.Can I live without rituals?  Sure.  But it's disingenuous to claim they do not have value or are not an advantage.  They all have their uses.Sorcerers have zero rituals from spell levels 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 so showing some dead ritual levels for a wizard does not prove a lack of value.  It's also presumptuous to assume there needs to be rituals for every level.The argument you just gave misapplies the value of rituals by making a claim about combat when the value comes out of combat.  On that note, Dramij's instant summons could save Alice by way of the second application of the ritual. It's more reliable than scrying. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Drawmij's instant summons can also be used to summon an item to help in the fight against the BBEG. It takes an action to do the summon. The ritual part is in preparing the summon and the gem. If it did not cost so much or if the spell caster had the resources to ignore the cost it's a pretty good ritual.</blockquote>

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