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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 7920069" data-attributes="member: 6920677">To me it is evident that Sorcerer Subclasses are dripping in flavor, the Wizard Subclasses not so much.&nbsp; For others the opposite seems evident.If both ‘camps’ feel the same way from the same evidence, then the issue must be something else.My personal belief it is the spell casting system in general, and the interaction with resting.&nbsp; Spellcasters need to be balanced to be able to effectively contribute even w/o spells, like martial classes are balanced to function w/o magic items.&nbsp; Moon Druids have this&nbsp; balance w/o spells thru Wildshape.&nbsp; Warlocks thru Invocations.Both the Wiz and the Sorc need some additional class ribbons.What I object to as unbalanced is giving the Sorc all of the following: Increased Spells Known, Increased Font of Magic Versatility, and Increased Sorcery Points.To me, adding ALL of the above to the existing Sorcerer frame is not adding mere ribbons&nbsp; but real power.&nbsp; If this comes to pass, then all classes should be rebalanced.Since nuance tends to get overlooked in giant discussions like this, I AM NOT SAYING SOME CHANGES ARE NOT WARRANTED, JUST NOT All OF THE ONES LISTED ABOVE.Again apologies for being so blunt, just wanted to ensure that my&nbsp; prior conditional statements were not being overlooked or as is quite likely, were not clearly stated by myself to begin with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 7920069, member: 6920677"] To me it is evident that Sorcerer Subclasses are dripping in flavor, the Wizard Subclasses not so much. For others the opposite seems evident. If both ‘camps’ feel the same way from the same evidence, then the issue must be something else. My personal belief it is the spell casting system in general, and the interaction with resting. Spellcasters need to be balanced to be able to effectively contribute even w/o spells, like martial classes are balanced to function w/o magic items. Moon Druids have this balance w/o spells thru Wildshape. Warlocks thru Invocations. [I]Both[/I] the Wiz and the Sorc need some additional class ribbons. What I object to as unbalanced is giving the Sorc [I]all[/I] of the following: Increased Spells Known, Increased Font of Magic Versatility, and Increased Sorcery Points. To me, adding [I]ALL[/I] of the above to the existing Sorcerer frame is not adding [I]mere ribbons[/I] but real power. If this comes to pass, then [I]all[/I] classes should be rebalanced. Since nuance tends to get overlooked in giant discussions like this, I AM NOT SAYING SOME CHANGES ARE NOT WARRANTED, JUST NOT [I]All[/I] OF THE ONES LISTED ABOVE. Again apologies for being so blunt, just wanted to ensure that my prior conditional statements were not being overlooked or as is quite likely, were not clearly stated by myself to begin with. [/QUOTE]

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