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<blockquote data-quote="VirgilCaine" data-source="post: 2233623" data-attributes="member: 17083">Actually, clerics and fighters don't need to do either of those. Wizards without cloaks of resistance are asking for death by some Fort spell. And besides, spells and research aren't nearly as required as you make out. I don't &quot;need&quot; to research spells as a high-level wizard that I can negotiate with a guild or other wizard to trade with me for. If I wanted a better version of a PHB spell, and the DM has not already approved one as in widespread use, sure I'll research it. But I could just decide that researching is too much trouble.Besides, we aren't talking about scrolls here either. IMO, I would buy scrolls before I researched a spell.I'm on &quot;your&quot; side, but you aren't helping &quot;us.&quot;This has to be the worst example of wizard power ever. There are no guidelines for what these powers know, even in 3.5. IMO, I have no idea how one would use information that they would know to beat a fighter. So it's really up to the DM. IMO, you could ask where a center of power for that specific being contacted, or if there was a cleric nearby of that deity that would cast a powerful spell for the party or some question about some aspect of the power contacted. How this would directly help beat a fighter, I don't know...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="VirgilCaine, post: 2233623, member: 17083"] Actually, clerics and fighters don't need to do either of those. Wizards without cloaks of resistance are asking for death by some Fort spell. And besides, spells and research aren't nearly as required as you make out. I don't "need" to research spells as a high-level wizard that I can negotiate with a guild or other wizard to trade with me for. If I wanted a better version of a PHB spell, and the DM has not already approved one as in widespread use, sure I'll research it. But I could just decide that researching is too much trouble. Besides, we aren't talking about scrolls here either. IMO, I would buy scrolls before I researched a spell. I'm on "your" side, but you aren't helping "us." This has to be the worst example of wizard power ever. There are no guidelines for what these powers know, even in 3.5. IMO, I have no idea how one would use information that they would know to beat a fighter. So it's really up to the DM. IMO, you could ask where a center of power for that specific being contacted, or if there was a cleric nearby of that deity that would cast a powerful spell for the party or some question about some aspect of the power contacted. How this would directly help beat a fighter, I don't know... [/QUOTE]

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