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once you start a PrC, can you lose its requirements and still continue the PrC?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 4047899" data-attributes="member: 29252"><p>A few interesting things of note....</p><p></p><p>In 3.0, that rule was in the Dungeon Master's Guide - in 3.5, it is not in the Dungeon Master's Guide - it was removed from the DMG in the edition change.</p><p></p><p>Complete Warrior came out on the heels of the 3.0 -> 3.5 transition... and it was found to have a lot of copy/paste segments that weren't updated in the change, and were incorrect for 3.5.</p><p></p><p>If you don't have Complete Warrior (it might be in one or two other of the Complete series), there's nothing that says you can't continue to advance in a PrC after losing a requirement ... and Complete Warrior isn't one of the Core books.</p><p></p><p>The Transformational PrC's (such as the Dragon Disciple) aren't the only ones that break their own requirements - the Ur-Priest, for instance, requires you have no divine spellcasting (or give up all Divine spellcasting abilities) and grants... Divine Spellcasting. At level 1.</p><p></p><p>The CW rule is demonstrably absurd (the quantum Dragon Disciple-10 being the most common example).</p><p></p><p>My personal house-rules on the subject:</p><p>1) If a prerequisite is taken from you, you maintain class abilities (other than ones where the requirement is clearly deeply involved in the ability, such as the Arcane Trickster's Ranged Legerdemain and the Mage Hand spell), but can't advance further in that PrC until it's fixed. So if a Blackguard gets Ray of Enfeeblemented down to the point where he can't use Power Attack anymore, he doesn't lose his Dark Blessing.</p><p>2) If you voluntarily relinquish a prerequisite (e.g., you retrain a required feat) you lose everything but BAB, skills, HP, saves, and +Existing spellcasting abilities. Classes that break their own requirements (e.g., Dragon Disciple-10) are immune to this clause in that aspect of the breakage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 4047899, member: 29252"] A few interesting things of note.... In 3.0, that rule was in the Dungeon Master's Guide - in 3.5, it is not in the Dungeon Master's Guide - it was removed from the DMG in the edition change. Complete Warrior came out on the heels of the 3.0 -> 3.5 transition... and it was found to have a lot of copy/paste segments that weren't updated in the change, and were incorrect for 3.5. If you don't have Complete Warrior (it might be in one or two other of the Complete series), there's nothing that says you can't continue to advance in a PrC after losing a requirement ... and Complete Warrior isn't one of the Core books. The Transformational PrC's (such as the Dragon Disciple) aren't the only ones that break their own requirements - the Ur-Priest, for instance, requires you have no divine spellcasting (or give up all Divine spellcasting abilities) and grants... Divine Spellcasting. At level 1. The CW rule is demonstrably absurd (the quantum Dragon Disciple-10 being the most common example). My personal house-rules on the subject: 1) If a prerequisite is taken from you, you maintain class abilities (other than ones where the requirement is clearly deeply involved in the ability, such as the Arcane Trickster's Ranged Legerdemain and the Mage Hand spell), but can't advance further in that PrC until it's fixed. So if a Blackguard gets Ray of Enfeeblemented down to the point where he can't use Power Attack anymore, he doesn't lose his Dark Blessing. 2) If you voluntarily relinquish a prerequisite (e.g., you retrain a required feat) you lose everything but BAB, skills, HP, saves, and +Existing spellcasting abilities. Classes that break their own requirements (e.g., Dragon Disciple-10) are immune to this clause in that aspect of the breakage. [/QUOTE]
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