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<blockquote data-quote="ZSutherland" data-source="post: 1080323" data-attributes="member: 7638"><p>Centaur,</p><p></p><p>As Particle Man pointed out, there are two possibilities here. One is that your player, Chris, simply has a gaming style, a reason to come to the table, that differs from your DMing style. If this is true, then I'd tread lightly on the issue. I certainly wouldn't let things slide without consequences because that damages your verisimilitude and may reduce the fun of the other players, but I probably wouldn't go so far as to curse him horribly, removing his effectiveness at the game, and thus his fun entirely. I'd have the church refuse to serve him for his behavior and lack of decorum, but if he's playing CG or CN, I'd probably give him an RP award for taking his lumps by playing in character. Then, have the BBEG take some action such that when the PCs finally vanquish him, the church is indebted to all of them. Perhaps begrudingly, they let the PC off the hook, maybe because he's become a local hero and they don't want to be at odds with their worshipers. In this way, consequences occured but in the end, the PC's hero manner is rewarded, he gets to beat the bad guy and learns the lesson that sometimes doing the right thing brings about negative consequences in the short term, but as long as you continue doing the right thing, it works out in the end.</p><p></p><p>If it's not the player, but rather he's just really playing up his character, I'd still give him an RP bonus and see how far he's willing to take this story line. Then ramp up the pressure from the church to something you're both comfortable with. I doubt they'd take any direct, mechanical action, such as cursing him, but would almost certainly work in an indirect manner. They're the largest church around, so presumably many citizens in the area are adherents to their belief. Perhaps the word goes out that none of their believers are to associate with this "vigilante maniac," so he has trouble getting a place to stay as no inn will rent him a room. Magic items (since it's the church of magic) become hard to obtain with cash, people glare at him and just general isolate him. Others, however, stand to profit by this, but perhaps their morally lacking individuals. Opportunists and whatnot, and the character is faced with a decision, repent, relax my moral standards, or sleep out in the cold. He gets to play the misunderstood hero, which can be a fun role. Not to touch a sore subject, but look at the popularity of the Drizzt Do'Urden novels, a misunderstood hero if ever there was one. In the end, the PCs still manage to vanquish the BBEG and are rewarded with hero status. The local populace and the LG members of the church welcome the PC back with open arms. The LN members recognize that the PCs ended a threat and so forgo further punishment, but the LE members (you did say the diety was LN, so presumably some, maybe even one of the most powerful three clerics you mentioned, is LE) resent the PC for defying their authority and "getting away" with it and see the people's acceptance of his Chaotic behavior as a threat to their order. One of these could even become your next BBEG.</p><p></p><p>Talk to the player, figure out which is the case, or which is more the case, and that should give you a better idea of which way to go. Don't approach the talk as a "DM talking to" but as a DM asking his player which path would give him the most enjoyment as a player. Obviously, however, don't let the cat out of the bag, whichever you decide to do.</p><p></p><p>Good luck,</p><p>Z</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ZSutherland, post: 1080323, member: 7638"] Centaur, As Particle Man pointed out, there are two possibilities here. One is that your player, Chris, simply has a gaming style, a reason to come to the table, that differs from your DMing style. If this is true, then I'd tread lightly on the issue. I certainly wouldn't let things slide without consequences because that damages your verisimilitude and may reduce the fun of the other players, but I probably wouldn't go so far as to curse him horribly, removing his effectiveness at the game, and thus his fun entirely. I'd have the church refuse to serve him for his behavior and lack of decorum, but if he's playing CG or CN, I'd probably give him an RP award for taking his lumps by playing in character. Then, have the BBEG take some action such that when the PCs finally vanquish him, the church is indebted to all of them. Perhaps begrudingly, they let the PC off the hook, maybe because he's become a local hero and they don't want to be at odds with their worshipers. In this way, consequences occured but in the end, the PC's hero manner is rewarded, he gets to beat the bad guy and learns the lesson that sometimes doing the right thing brings about negative consequences in the short term, but as long as you continue doing the right thing, it works out in the end. If it's not the player, but rather he's just really playing up his character, I'd still give him an RP bonus and see how far he's willing to take this story line. Then ramp up the pressure from the church to something you're both comfortable with. I doubt they'd take any direct, mechanical action, such as cursing him, but would almost certainly work in an indirect manner. They're the largest church around, so presumably many citizens in the area are adherents to their belief. Perhaps the word goes out that none of their believers are to associate with this "vigilante maniac," so he has trouble getting a place to stay as no inn will rent him a room. Magic items (since it's the church of magic) become hard to obtain with cash, people glare at him and just general isolate him. Others, however, stand to profit by this, but perhaps their morally lacking individuals. Opportunists and whatnot, and the character is faced with a decision, repent, relax my moral standards, or sleep out in the cold. He gets to play the misunderstood hero, which can be a fun role. Not to touch a sore subject, but look at the popularity of the Drizzt Do'Urden novels, a misunderstood hero if ever there was one. In the end, the PCs still manage to vanquish the BBEG and are rewarded with hero status. The local populace and the LG members of the church welcome the PC back with open arms. The LN members recognize that the PCs ended a threat and so forgo further punishment, but the LE members (you did say the diety was LN, so presumably some, maybe even one of the most powerful three clerics you mentioned, is LE) resent the PC for defying their authority and "getting away" with it and see the people's acceptance of his Chaotic behavior as a threat to their order. One of these could even become your next BBEG. Talk to the player, figure out which is the case, or which is more the case, and that should give you a better idea of which way to go. Don't approach the talk as a "DM talking to" but as a DM asking his player which path would give him the most enjoyment as a player. Obviously, however, don't let the cat out of the bag, whichever you decide to do. Good luck, Z [/QUOTE]
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