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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8875220" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I disagree. Let's take a Gnoll Packlord. They have a -1 to charisma and no skill in intimidation. So they are, purely mechanically, less scary than a farmer. However if a 7 foot monster, smelling of rot and death and looking like this [ATTACH=full]271003[/ATTACH]Puts a dagger to the throat of Dale the Turnip Farmer, Dale is going to be PLENTY intimidated. He is going to beg for his life and do what the giant murder monster wants, in hopes of getting out of this alive. Sure, maybe the City Watch Leader is made of sterner stuff, but the idea that that monster is less intimidating than any commoner because it has a -1 Charisma makes no sense.But I think you are burying the lead with your phrasing. Someone capable of casually murdering you with their bare hands (any person with a 16 strength) is not a "dangerous Nuisance" they are a credible threat to your life. Which makes their ability to intimidate being tied to their ability to be liked kind of weird. You don't need to have a strong sense of self or the ability to lead others into battle to be scary and dangerous. Many scary and dangerous people are not charismatic, but that doesn't make them LESS intimidating.</blockquote>