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<blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 8741762" data-attributes="member: 6879661">The new rules have simultaneously made grappling easier to do and also more effective. While making them easier to break. That seems to me to be a fair and sensible approach.Now you have a reasonable chance of grappling even if you’re dex based monk or fighter. You might not be able to keep hold of them for long, but you can stop them for a round or two and throw them about.Disadvantage against other people is a significant debuff. Particularly useful if your barbarian grappler has resistance, or has a particularly high AC or you just want to stop a party member being attacked. Added to the 0 move debuff it’s a decent effect that is useful in lots of situations…… that said if those were applied without making it easier to break out it would also be unbalanced. Under the current rules it’s possible to be great at grappling very easily. A 5th level character can get +7 Athletics at the cost of a skill and be considerably better with class abilities (barbarian etc). A troll - a large viscious powerful creature that should be a challenge for a whole party of 5th level characters gets +4 Athletics - because monsters as a general rule don’t have skills. The troll gets a 50-50 chance of breaking out at the end of its turn, after a minor debuff. Sounds fair to me.The old system was too easy to break, and not good enough to be worthwhile. Happy days that they have come up with some tweaks.Five or six more combat maneuvers like this and we could be on to a winner.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheSword, post: 8741762, member: 6879661"] The new rules have simultaneously made grappling easier to do and also more effective. While making them easier to break. That seems to me to be a fair and sensible approach. Now you have a reasonable chance of grappling even if you’re dex based monk or fighter. You might not be able to keep hold of them for long, but you can stop them for a round or two and throw them about. Disadvantage against other people is a significant debuff. Particularly useful if your barbarian grappler has resistance, or has a particularly high AC or you just want to stop a party member being attacked. Added to the 0 move debuff it’s a decent effect that is useful in lots of situations… … that said if those were applied without making it easier to break out it would also be unbalanced. Under the current rules it’s possible to be great at grappling very easily. A 5th level character can get +7 Athletics at the cost of a skill and be considerably better with class abilities (barbarian etc). A troll - a large viscious powerful creature that should be a challenge for a whole party of 5th level characters gets +4 Athletics - because monsters as a general rule don’t have skills. The troll gets a 50-50 chance of breaking out at the end of its turn, after a minor debuff. Sounds fair to me. The old system was too easy to break, and not good enough to be worthwhile. Happy days that they have come up with some tweaks. Five or six more combat maneuvers like this and we could be on to a winner. [/QUOTE]

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