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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shardstone" data-source="post: 9091985" data-attributes="member: 6807784">Sometimes replying to you is difficult because I not only have to reply to your original point, but I also have to deal assumptions you make and go with like they're fact when they're just assumptions.My problem is that it takes up too much narrative space. If the other classes had just as big spell lists, then it would take up a lot less space. I don't necessarily care if they're class-only spells or spells for several classes, the point is, everything new they get (looking at splat books), the Wizard got too. Since spells are essentially class features for spellcasters, the Wizard gets more and more and more class features while the other arcane casters don't.This isn't a big deal. I don't want you assuming I'm making it a big deal, because I know you probably will in your reply anyway. However, a bunch of small things can have an effect when together. Custom class spell lists basically divide up hundreds of features unequally while failing to give other classes anything in recompense. Changing this would go a long way to enhancing class identity, which I think current custom spell lists largely lack. This leads me to my second issue. So many spells overlap on custom spell lists. If more than 60% of your spell list is shared by another class, and if the unshared spells are just yours, there's really no reason to have custom class lists. It'd be better to have generic lists + custom class spells (at least a dozen or so for each spellcaster, more for the half-casters). This is a personal problem for me. When I read the spell lists, I never feel inspired. That's because surrounding "Hagar's Creepy Dance Party" are 20 other 3rd level spells shared by the wizard and sorcerer and artificer. Ultimately, I have to go through the custom list, find the unique spells, cross reference to see if they're different, and then look up each spell in the back of the book individually to grok the identity. If there were generic lists in the back of the book and unique custom spells included in the class description, then I'd be able to see class identity.</blockquote>

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