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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9092395" data-attributes="member: 87792">And the wizards then get more spells known and more flexibility in their spells because they can switch them up.And wizards are the best at rituals of any class. There are more rituals on the arcane list than any other and, uniquely, wizards only need to have a spell in their spell book rather than have it prepared.Are you saying their lists are equal to the wizard?And it is right and proper that they do pay - but you seem to think that it is a problem that the best casters gaining the best class feature in the game (a new level of spell) doesn't somehow get something else at most of the levels they already gain the best class feature in the game. And if you look at what the other full casters get at odd numbered levels it's generally only ribbons; the cleric's Destroy Undead is very situational, Song of Rest going up a die size is almost useless, and Mystic Arcana is objectively strictly worse than getting a full spell slot of the new spell level. Full casters all get nothing or ribbon abilities for almost all their odd levels and for good reason and there shouldn't be power there. The wizard, having the best spell list and best ritual casting, has the fewest ribbon abilities.The people who are actually short changed on class features are the non-casters on most of their ASI levels; full casters gain an ASI and a spell slot as class features while non-casters gain just an ASI. And where wizards actually pay is not by having terrible class features compared to other casters (they don't) but by having weak subclasses. Which is one of the reasons I think wizard should be a subclass of sorcerer.</blockquote>

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