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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9102170" data-attributes="member: 6750235">I have taken skilled on a fighter.  I don't usually because bounded accuracy makes it worthwhile to use skills without proficiency as a feat cost, but I have done it.  The 5.24-UA5 fighter using the UA1 backgrounds starts with a feat and has the 1st bonus feat earlier with better benefits than the 5.14 champion fighter.  Here's my example....Rock Gnome Fighter, urchin background:  darkvision (60'), gnomish cunning, mending, prestidigitation, clockwork devices; +2 DEX, +1 WIS, sign language, thieves' tools proficiency, insight proficiency, stealth proficiency, lucky feat; athletics proficiency, perception proficiencystandard array ability scores:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">STR:  10</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DEX:  14+2=16</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">CON:  15</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">INT:  13</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WIS:  12+1=13</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">CHA:  8</li> </ul>1st level:  fighting style dueling feat, second wind, weapon mastery rapier (vex), weapon mastery heavy crossbow (push), weapon mastery whip (slow).  AC 17 (studded leather, shield).  12 hp. 2nd level:  action surge3rd level:  subclass (champion) -- adaptable victor (persuasion, typically), improved critical4th level:  observant feat -- +1 WIS, perception expertise, quick search bonus action5th level:  extra attack, keen mind feat -- +1 INT, investigation proficiency, quick study bonus action6th level:  fighting style defense feat, heroic warrior7th level:  weapon expert; longbow (push), whip (topple)8th level:  +2 DEX9th level:  indomitable10th level:  superior critical11th level:  extra attack12th level:  +2 DEX13th level:  weapon adept; rapier (vex, slow), longbow (push, topple), whip (sap, topple)14th level:  survivor -- defy death, heroic rally15th level:  improved action surge, +2 CON16th level:  +2 CON17th level:  unconquerable18th level:  extra attack19th level:  +2 CON20th level:  +2 DEX, epic boon of recovery -- +1 CON, last stand, death defiantfinal ability scores (allowing for 22 cap on 19th feat per UA 6 and UA5 20th level bonus):<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">STR:  10 (save +6)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">DEX:  22 (save +6)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">CON:  22 (save +12)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">INT:  14 (save +2 ADV)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WIS:  14 (save +2 ADV)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">CHA:  8 (save -1 ADV)</li> </ul>AC 21 before magic items244 hpskill proficiencies:  athletics +6, acrobatics +6 (+12 using adaptable victor), sleight of hand +6, stealth +12, arcana +2, history +2 (+8 using adaptable victor), investigation +8, nature +2, religion +2, animal handling +2 (+8 using adaptable victor), insight +8, medicine +2, perception +14, survival +2 (+8 using adaptable victor), deception -1, intimidation -1 (+5 using adaptable victor), performance -1, persuasion -1 (+5 using adaptable victor) Decent AC, good saving throws, lots of hit points and healing.  Adaptable victor opens up quite a bit of skill options because of that long rest swap for it.  Bonus feats adding utility do matter, and adding a subclass option like adaptable victor does make a difference.This is obviously going to change in the next iteration following UA6's approach, but should still be close.  Hopefully see the next iteration soon.</blockquote>

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