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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9117134" data-attributes="member: 7635">Back in 2nd edition, I played a single class thief in a game dominated by mages. As such, a lot of the stealthy stuff was easily handled by a mage with the correct spells and magic items. Having not designed my thief to be a pickpocket, the things he was good at (locks, traps, scouting, etc) were outshined by magic. By your logic, it doesn't matter how or who unlocks a door, as long as it's unlocked. But much of the time, my character contributed little to the quest. At best, I saved the mages a spell slot (assuming I don't fail my roll, something magic never worries about). Could I roleplay? Come up with plans and ideas? Sure. But so could everyone else. For what it's worth, 3rd edition didn't fix that problem, it made it worse thanks to multi-classing skill rules and cheap wands. But at least I had sneak attack so I had something to do in combat (provided it wasn't against undead or constructs).So I get the desire for martials to have a few I win buttons. I am annoyed that expertise is increasingly being given to non-experts since that  is again taking an advantage for martials and giving it to casters. (I give weapon mastery about a year before every class has access to it via subclass).</blockquote>