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<blockquote data-quote="lambdaZUG" data-source="post: 446497" data-attributes="member: 4666">I'm going to have to hop on the Ars Magica bandwagon. (best game EVAR!) If it weren't for 3e, I'd still be playing it. I can't imagine why anyone would want to remove the grogs, they were really fun to play. We found that doing things troupe-style worked the best for them though. One player plays 1 to 4 grogs, the point grog making nobrow quips, and the rest of the lot doing the plebian working-joe schtick. Then for the next adventure, somebody else gets to play the grogs, and the grog-player gets to use one of his characters. Anyhow, Ars Magica 4th was by far the best game I've played. And yes, it is quite funny/interesting how much D&amp;D 3e resembles Ars. (Stats range from +5 to -5, skill checks, the &quot;pyramidal&quot; XP chart, &amp;c). Glad Ars 4th had all the vampires in House Tremere killed though, saving us from ending up as Vampire: Dark Ages. Thanks Atlas!(typo)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="lambdaZUG, post: 446497, member: 4666"] I'm going to have to hop on the Ars Magica bandwagon. (best game EVAR!) If it weren't for 3e, I'd still be playing it. I can't imagine why anyone would want to remove the grogs, they were really fun to play. We found that doing things troupe-style worked the best for them though. One player plays 1 to 4 grogs, the point grog making nobrow quips, and the rest of the lot doing the plebian working-joe schtick. Then for the next adventure, somebody else gets to play the grogs, and the grog-player gets to use one of his characters. Anyhow, Ars Magica 4th was by far the best game I've played. And yes, it is quite funny/interesting how much D&D 3e resembles Ars. (Stats range from +5 to -5, skill checks, the "pyramidal" XP chart, &c). Glad Ars 4th had all the vampires in House Tremere killed though, saving us from ending up as Vampire: Dark Ages. Thanks Atlas! (typo) [/QUOTE]

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