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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanatos" data-source="post: 3108525" data-attributes="member: 5261">Not necessairly. Thats why people recognize classes that appear too powerful on paper and by all their calcuation, but it plays weak. It just goes to support that trying to balance classes by value ability comparison isn't necessairly very accurate.I disagree as well, the customization of the fighter does add to that ability to overcome challenges and achieve objectives. That adds to its potency. Except that this class does not run circles around the fighter, it just very different from the fighter.Except that we don't agree on all the values used to calculate it. Nor do we agree on the value of all the variables you chose to calculate it up with. You don't see a gap or a negative one, I see a gap. Since neither of our ways of weighing these classes are any more valid then the other, we are just at an impasse here. Yep, I agree there. All of this above has been covered in this thread...and it's pretty much a wash and didn't really prove anything one way or another. No ones opinion was changed, the same people all came debating both sides, just like in every other thread relating to this.I guess my point really is...you and I aren't really getting anywhere here <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> and we've started to come back around.The OP found the thread helpful, the mods didn't have to take anyone away in handcuffs (though I suspect some of you people would likely enjoy that...), so, all in all, it wasn't wasted or anything at least.As a side-off-topic note: And I've enjoyed our debate very much, but, we are hopefully deadlocked and coming from different places regarding the Nine Swords and the existing melee classes. And, for whatever its worth...while I've lurked around here alot more then posted, I've always enjoyed the threads you and MerricB participate in and have enjoyed the our butting-of-heads over all this, I hope I have acquitted myself honorably back in my responses.</blockquote>

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