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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5952279" data-attributes="member: 7006">I wouldn't have a problem with the Fighter getting two themes to start with, under the assumption that the &quot;second theme&quot; comes from a finite class list of eligible Fighter themes-- the same way the Rogue seems to be getting an analogous &quot;second background&quot; via the Rogue Scheme ability.Until character creation is made available we won't know for sure... but it appears (based on what we've heard thus far) that perhaps Rogue Schemes are simply a second Background a rogue gets to take... but only those that are more &quot;roguish&quot; based.&nbsp; So the Thief obviously... the Charlatan I remember being mentioned.&nbsp; Perhaps the Pirate.&nbsp; Ones like that.&nbsp; Backgrounds that fall outside of the roguish ones... (Priest, Knight etc.) would still be available for the rogue to take in their primary Background slot... but just not in their secondary Scheme slot.Fighters might very well be the same way using themes.You have your large list of themes that are available for everybody to take in their primary Theme slot, regardless of class.&nbsp; So for instance, your Fighter could take the Magic-User theme and have a bit of extra magical ability.&nbsp; But perhaps then also as a class feature, the Fighter gets to choose a second theme (call it the Fighter Exploit)... but these have to come from a designated Exploit list that is much more fighter-focused... Slayer, Guardian, Dual-Wielder, Skirmisher, Sharpshooter, Tactician etc.&nbsp; Just like Schemes are the more &quot;roguish&quot; backgrounds... Exploits are the more &quot;fighterish&quot; themes.What you get is a guarantee that even if a player wants their Fighter to go &quot;against type&quot; by taking a theme like Magic-User... that player ALSO will get to have a more fighter-centric one as well so that the PC can still effectively do his job as a Fighter better.And really, it makes sense.&nbsp; Rogues always had more skills than any other class, and giving them a second background accomplishes that.&nbsp; Fighters in 3E always had more feats than any other class, and giving them a second theme accomplishes that as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 5952279, member: 7006"] I wouldn't have a problem with the Fighter getting two themes to start with, under the assumption that the "second theme" comes from a finite class list of eligible Fighter themes-- the same way the Rogue seems to be getting an analogous "second background" via the Rogue Scheme ability. Until character creation is made available we won't know for sure... but it appears (based on what we've heard thus far) that perhaps Rogue Schemes are simply a second Background a rogue gets to take... but only those that are more "roguish" based. So the Thief obviously... the Charlatan I remember being mentioned. Perhaps the Pirate. Ones like that. Backgrounds that fall outside of the roguish ones... (Priest, Knight etc.) would still be available for the rogue to take in their primary Background slot... but just not in their secondary Scheme slot. Fighters might very well be the same way using themes. You have your large list of themes that are available for everybody to take in their primary Theme slot, regardless of class. So for instance, your Fighter could take the Magic-User theme and have a bit of extra magical ability. But perhaps then [I]also[/I] as a class feature, the Fighter gets to choose a second theme (call it the Fighter Exploit)... but these [I]have[/I] to come from a designated Exploit list that is much more fighter-focused... Slayer, Guardian, Dual-Wielder, Skirmisher, Sharpshooter, Tactician etc. Just like Schemes are the more "roguish" backgrounds... Exploits are the more "fighterish" themes. What you get is a guarantee that even if a player wants their Fighter to go "against type" by taking a theme like Magic-User... that player ALSO will get to have a more fighter-centric one as well so that the PC can still effectively do his job as a Fighter better. And really, it makes sense. Rogues always had more skills than any other class, and giving them a second background accomplishes that. Fighters in 3E always had more feats than any other class, and giving them a second theme accomplishes that as well. [/QUOTE]

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