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<blockquote data-quote="John Morrow" data-source="post: 1945888" data-attributes="member: 27012"><p>Two things of note in this part of your story. </p><p></p><p>First, if the yuan-ti were going to keep some of the slaves, the dopplegangers were essentially setting innocent people up to be enslaved. While possibly but not necessarily Evil (see the recent thread about slavery and alignment for various takes on that issue), it's certainly not harmless fun just becaues the victims were saved or were simply NPCs.</p><p></p><p>Second, the dwarf may believe that the dopplegangers are evil parasites but the Monster Manual lists them as Neutral, meaning that there is nothing inherently Evil about your standard doppleganger or how they live. The dwarf can feel free to think of them however he wants but in the objective alignment scheme of D&D, they aren't inherently Evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that if the dopplegangers were answering the questions with the understanding that a deal had been made, it should have been tacit approval as far as the monk was concerned. Ideally, the monk should have asked both sides for a clarification. The rest of the party can certainly justify their actions on technicalities all they want but I don't think the monk should. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would say that the problem here is not necessarily the attack but the weapon used to carry it out. I assume the weapon is Evil? While this may not have produced a full transformation to CE, frankly, it sounds like you've got a character just itching for a turn to the dark side, here. If I were an Evil enemy of this party, wanted to destroy it, and wanted to give it a bad reputation, and learned about this behavior, I'd arrange for the girlfriend's assassination to really push this boy over to the dark side and pit him against the others in the party. Ideally, her death would be carried out by someone accidentally hired, say, to deliver a gift full of poison, so that the rogue winds up exacting revenge on another innocent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What was the dwarf's motive here?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Being a societal parasite isn't necessarily Evil. In fact, it's plenty easy for a doppleganger to do good things while living as a human. You might want to consider this story:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi856.htm" target="_blank">http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi856.htm</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If the issue is personal and the killing is quick, I'd say that he could stay CN. If the issue is racia and the methods cruel, it could very well be CE (certainly Chaotic either way). If he makes it through this CN, I'd have the party's enemies (the ones sophisticated enough to set up the doppleganger ruse) set up the death (or enslavement, if you want to pull some punches) of the girlfriend, perhaps using a doppleganger disguised as the rogue to lure her to her death, thus completing the rogues journey to the dark side...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Morrow, post: 1945888, member: 27012"] Two things of note in this part of your story. First, if the yuan-ti were going to keep some of the slaves, the dopplegangers were essentially setting innocent people up to be enslaved. While possibly but not necessarily Evil (see the recent thread about slavery and alignment for various takes on that issue), it's certainly not harmless fun just becaues the victims were saved or were simply NPCs. Second, the dwarf may believe that the dopplegangers are evil parasites but the Monster Manual lists them as Neutral, meaning that there is nothing inherently Evil about your standard doppleganger or how they live. The dwarf can feel free to think of them however he wants but in the objective alignment scheme of D&D, they aren't inherently Evil. I think that if the dopplegangers were answering the questions with the understanding that a deal had been made, it should have been tacit approval as far as the monk was concerned. Ideally, the monk should have asked both sides for a clarification. The rest of the party can certainly justify their actions on technicalities all they want but I don't think the monk should. I would say that the problem here is not necessarily the attack but the weapon used to carry it out. I assume the weapon is Evil? While this may not have produced a full transformation to CE, frankly, it sounds like you've got a character just itching for a turn to the dark side, here. If I were an Evil enemy of this party, wanted to destroy it, and wanted to give it a bad reputation, and learned about this behavior, I'd arrange for the girlfriend's assassination to really push this boy over to the dark side and pit him against the others in the party. Ideally, her death would be carried out by someone accidentally hired, say, to deliver a gift full of poison, so that the rogue winds up exacting revenge on another innocent. What was the dwarf's motive here? Being a societal parasite isn't necessarily Evil. In fact, it's plenty easy for a doppleganger to do good things while living as a human. You might want to consider this story: [url]http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi856.htm[/url] If the issue is personal and the killing is quick, I'd say that he could stay CN. If the issue is racia and the methods cruel, it could very well be CE (certainly Chaotic either way). If he makes it through this CN, I'd have the party's enemies (the ones sophisticated enough to set up the doppleganger ruse) set up the death (or enslavement, if you want to pull some punches) of the girlfriend, perhaps using a doppleganger disguised as the rogue to lure her to her death, thus completing the rogues journey to the dark side... [/QUOTE]
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