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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 6873315" data-attributes="member: 12731">Phrase it like this and I'm with you: criticals double all the dice of an attack, but doesn't affect any secondary effects or attacks.If a monster deals 2d6+3 damage, a critical is 4d6+3.If a monster deals 2d6+3 poison damage, a critical is 4d6+3 poison.If a monster deals 1d6+3 piercing damage plus 1d6 poison damage, a critical is 2d6+3+2d6.But if an attack triggers any secondary attacks, the critical doesn't affect those.Think of it like this: those 7d6 aren't rolled at the instant the critical takes effect, but &quot;afterwards&quot; (if only a split second later). Also, since you can succeed on the save, not everybody is going to take the 7d6, so then they are not available for doubling. And since there is no counterpart to a critical when *you* make the roll, that is, there are no fumble rules; the damage delivered by a separate poison attack can never be doubled. (&quot;failing miserably&quot; is handled another way, such as the &quot;if you fail the DC by 5&quot; mechanic of Drow poison)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 6873315, member: 12731"] Phrase it like this and I'm with you: criticals double all the dice of an attack, but doesn't affect any secondary effects or attacks. If a monster deals 2d6+3 damage, a critical is 4d6+3. If a monster deals 2d6+3 poison damage, a critical is 4d6+3 poison. If a monster deals 1d6+3 piercing damage plus 1d6 poison damage, a critical is 2d6+3+2d6. But if an attack triggers any secondary attacks, the critical doesn't affect those. Think of it like this: those 7d6 aren't rolled at the instant the critical takes effect, but "afterwards" (if only a split second later). Also, since you can succeed on the save, not everybody is going to take the 7d6, so then they are not available for doubling. And since there is no counterpart to a critical when *you* make the roll, that is, there are no fumble rules; the damage delivered by a separate poison attack can never be doubled. ("failing miserably" is handled another way, such as the "if you fail the DC by 5" mechanic of Drow poison) [/QUOTE]

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