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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9310338" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Sure, maybe, but 1) wizard does exist and 2) Taking out the wizard just moves the wizard's niche of &quot;knows all the spells&quot; to the sorcerer. Personally, if I was going to makes mechanics for the sorcerer to be a unique type of caster, I'd look at Kibblestasty Psion. That class design gives the character a few cantrip like powers, then allows them to spend points to alter it. So a single beam of fire with an attack roll can be turned into an AOE explosion with save for half. The Mystic from the Unearthed arcana had a similar design, where you can buy and mix effects. It doesn't make a simple caster, but it does give the feel of a caster who isn't really doing &quot;spells&quot; the same way as other people (though both did have the option to spend points on casting existing spells) but is instead manipulating raw energy into a form. To be clear, I don't want Sorcerer = Psion, like others were suggesting. I'm just looking at the mechanics used for things like power points and simple effects which can be made complex.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9310338, member: 6801228"] Sure, maybe, but 1) wizard does exist and 2) Taking out the wizard just moves the wizard's niche of "knows all the spells" to the sorcerer. Personally, if I was going to makes mechanics for the sorcerer to be a unique type of caster, I'd look at Kibblestasty Psion. That class design gives the character a few cantrip like powers, then allows them to spend points to alter it. So a single beam of fire with an attack roll can be turned into an AOE explosion with save for half. The Mystic from the Unearthed arcana had a similar design, where you can buy and mix effects. It doesn't make a simple caster, but it does give the feel of a caster who isn't really doing "spells" the same way as other people (though both did have the option to spend points on casting existing spells) but is instead manipulating raw energy into a form. To be clear, I don't want Sorcerer = Psion, like others were suggesting. I'm just looking at the mechanics used for things like power points and simple effects which can be made complex. [/QUOTE]

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