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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9310958" data-attributes="member: 7037866"><p>Well, those are just stories and backgrounds for the subclass, you can tell whatever you want about it and play those stories out. It is really just fluff.</p><p></p><p>As for the mechanical benefits of subclasses and the flavor that goes along with them, it still works as well. Later on I'll write up the changes in summary, so you can see. I just don't have the free time at the moment.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, I'm saying <em>you</em> can houserule in the stuff you feel is missing to easily make it the sorcerer you seem to want (if I understand you correctly).</p><p></p><p>The spellbook is only part of the "wizard" and is still mostly fluff. I wish it was more integral! I wish it was more a factor in the wizard's indentity as a class.</p><p></p><p>In short, give me something that isn't fluff about the sorcerer that this lacks?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd have to review them, but the tone here is getting a bit uncivil. I'm perfectly happy to discuss this with you, even though we have such opposed views, but my subclass works very well as a sorcerer for the people I play with. When we used it no one said they felt it didn't have the feel of a sorcerer.</p><p></p><p>One thing I'll mention in case it was overlooked: wizards gain their subclass at 1st level, not 2nd. So, you are a "sorcerer" subclass right out of the gate.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, you feel the original Warlock class is broken then? If so, then by default you'll find mine broken since those things are still available. And that's cool, I mean we nerfed Agonizing Blast almost immediately to apply to simple one beam from Eldritch Blast, not each beam.</p><p></p><p></p><p>How is it nerfed at all? And if EB is meant to balance out the "weaknesses" as you say, why would it be broken to have those features available???</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, we will disagree the cleric has 90% of its power in the base class, other than perhaps simply spellcasting--but warlocks already have that and it isn't like I am giving them <em>more</em> really.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Wizard subclasses are generally weak, but they don't suck any more or less than 80% of the subclasses in the game IMO. I know Divination, Evoker, and Transmutation are the most popular IME, with probably Abjuration next.</p><p></p><p>The "biggest spell list" is true, and an item I've contended with (along with my other players) for a LONG TIME. Of course, the vast majority of those spells are pretty much never used compared to how much use we see in other classes' spell lists.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, you can feel that way, but without actually <em>playing</em> them, I have to disagree. I've seen both in action and neither is "broken" by any means. Powerful, certainly, but hardly broken.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Your choice. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9310958, member: 7037866"] Well, those are just stories and backgrounds for the subclass, you can tell whatever you want about it and play those stories out. It is really just fluff. As for the mechanical benefits of subclasses and the flavor that goes along with them, it still works as well. Later on I'll write up the changes in summary, so you can see. I just don't have the free time at the moment. Ok, I'm saying [I]you[/I] can houserule in the stuff you feel is missing to easily make it the sorcerer you seem to want (if I understand you correctly). The spellbook is only part of the "wizard" and is still mostly fluff. I wish it was more integral! I wish it was more a factor in the wizard's indentity as a class. In short, give me something that isn't fluff about the sorcerer that this lacks? I'd have to review them, but the tone here is getting a bit uncivil. I'm perfectly happy to discuss this with you, even though we have such opposed views, but my subclass works very well as a sorcerer for the people I play with. When we used it no one said they felt it didn't have the feel of a sorcerer. One thing I'll mention in case it was overlooked: wizards gain their subclass at 1st level, not 2nd. So, you are a "sorcerer" subclass right out of the gate. So, you feel the original Warlock class is broken then? If so, then by default you'll find mine broken since those things are still available. And that's cool, I mean we nerfed Agonizing Blast almost immediately to apply to simple one beam from Eldritch Blast, not each beam. How is it nerfed at all? And if EB is meant to balance out the "weaknesses" as you say, why would it be broken to have those features available??? Well, we will disagree the cleric has 90% of its power in the base class, other than perhaps simply spellcasting--but warlocks already have that and it isn't like I am giving them [I]more[/I] really. Wizard subclasses are generally weak, but they don't suck any more or less than 80% of the subclasses in the game IMO. I know Divination, Evoker, and Transmutation are the most popular IME, with probably Abjuration next. The "biggest spell list" is true, and an item I've contended with (along with my other players) for a LONG TIME. Of course, the vast majority of those spells are pretty much never used compared to how much use we see in other classes' spell lists. Again, you can feel that way, but without actually [I]playing[/I] them, I have to disagree. I've seen both in action and neither is "broken" by any means. Powerful, certainly, but hardly broken. Your choice. 🤷♂️ [/QUOTE]
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