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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9311024" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, I disagree with you here that this is a "minor tweak", because as is often said, the Devil is in the details. The Wild Magic sorcerer gives a lot of explanations, as you mention, but it does call out two that we could tie directly to similar warlock stories: "Perhaps you were blessed by a Fey Being or marked by a Demon." However, compare this to the Warlock stories, and something jumps out: "Your Patron is a Lord of Lady of the Fey... this  beings motivations are often inscrutable and sometimes whimsical, and might involve striving for greater magical power or the settling of age-old grudges. // You have made a pact with a fiend from the Lower Planes of existence... Such beings desire the corruption or destruction of all things, ultimately including you." What jumps out, is that in both cases, the Warlock Patron's motivations matter. This is because the Warlock's story is intimately and deeply tied to this concept. You've made a deal, you've stepped into an arena where the planar politics matter, where the forces of the universe are involved, where you can play a part in the story between two great Houses or usurp a Prince of Hell. If you were to take the Warlock and put it into the Sorcerer... you water that down. Sure, a sorcerer CAN be created in a similar manner, as a pawn in some great game, but many aren't. As you mentioned, Sorcerer thematics are far far broader, and usually the influence of another entity is an afterthought. But there is something else, made a bit more clear when you ask the other way. What do you lose if you were to take the Sorcerer and put it into the Warlock, thematically? And that is unwillingness. Note what the Wild Sorcerer said, you were BLESSED by a fey or MARKED by a demon. It doesn't say anything about ASKING for those things. Look at the Aberrant mind, one of their origins is surviving an attack from an Aboleth, or being partially changed by Cereomorphisis. Dragon Sorcerer consistently talks about your ancestor making a choice or getting involved with dragons.The VAST majority of Sorcerers are accidental, unasked for, not intended. It seems like a minor change, when you zoom out, but for a character the difference between someone who asked for or at the very least AGREED to work for a power, to get dragged into these cosmic games is very different from someone who never had that choice. If a sorcerer is made by an entity, the sorcerer had no choice in the matter. They were an accident, or a casualty of something else, or they did it to themselves by mistake. And trying to mix that with a class whose thematic bent is consistently "You made the conscious choice to get involved in this, and your patron has expectations of you" just inevitably makes both sides of the coin weaker, because they are diametrically opposed ideas. The power source may be the same, but John Constantine making deals with the Devil for power and trading favors like baseball cards has an entirely different theme to him than Raven, whose Father is the Devil and was born under a cursed prophecy of destruction she cannot escape. Both may get their power from a "fiendish" source, but saying they are basically the same type of character is flat out wrong.</blockquote>

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