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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9313523" data-attributes="member: 63508">This is why I like the flavor that Warlock Patron are Powerful epic but not godly powers. A patron can't always see what you are doing. They are not omniscient. That's why some patrons make warlocks. You have ears and ears in places they cant see. And they have warlocks to punish other warlocks.However I love the idea of deities being able to remove powers. However schisms within a church or cult can still happen over disagreement or different interpretation of their deity's portfolio or words. Though not every DM is a skilled enough theological scholar to do it. The Nature and Anti nature sides of the Goddess of Civilization . The Warming Hearth or Killing Inferno of the God of Fire. That's why the default should be Deity vs Deity and Deity vs Non Deity. Sorcerer provide a state untethered to exhausting research, philosophic fanaticism, or the whims of a powerful master. You could just be born of a magical day and you are every human born that day has magic powers.</blockquote>