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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Frozen_Heart" data-source="post: 9314167" data-attributes="member: 7029687">I liked lots of ideas from 4e, but overall thought that it just wasn't DnD. I'm so glad that 5e stepped away from it.It felt insanely 'gamey' and less like a bunch of people inhabiting an actual world. A lot of my criticisms about 5e are also aimed at 'gamey' mechanics, where it feels like the player characters inhabit a completely different world to NPCs and enemies.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">An example is character using their spellcasting stat for weapon attacks. It makes stats feel less like they actually mean something, and more like it's just 'primary attacking stat A, B, or C'.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Another example is NPC's using 'spell like abilities' rather than spells. So everything your character has which might protect them from 'fireball' does nothing because the enemy does 'ball of fire'.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Final example is the bastions UA. Rather than a base your characters can discover and use their resources to expand over time, interacting with the actual world, instead it just magically has expansions appear at arbitrary levels.</li> </ul></blockquote>