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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9315125" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I don't see how. Cleric subclasses are tied to thematic concepts, Love, War, Knowledge, Death, Light; meanwhile warlock patrons are tied to types of beings, Fey, Fiend, Undead, Aberration. Those two things are not really going to overlap more than a Glamour Bard, Dream Druid, Fey Wanderer Ranger and Feylock already do... which is very very little.I don't disagree with that, I just think this is an artifact of the Arcane Skill being the skill associated with a lot of planar forces. I think the warlock HAS studied magic, because you need some magical rituals to even summon or contact an otherworldly force on purpose. But I agree the emphasis should be on the pact and the patron.Why is both not an option? Why can't some of their magic and powers come from the patron bestowing power on a continual basis, some come from a single use "event", and some come from their book or blade? It only has to be one or the other if you force it to be.Your phrasing indicates that the cleric and the paladin are channeling power, that's even how the patron and warlock are doing it. Channeling power from a specific individual force. That isn't how sorcerers work. That would be like saying that a Pit Fiend's power comes from another entity, because the pit fiend was created with fiendish powers.... no? The pit fiend is, in and of itself, a source of power. The sorcerer's blood has an origin, sure, but that doesn't mean that they are the conduit for a dragon's magic they are INNATELY FILLED with draconic magic.You may like to think the event is an encounter with an entity, but you are wrong. Actual sorcerers I've seen in play: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A storm sorcerer who, as a young thief, grabbed a gemstone filled with the elemental power of storms. The gem fused with them, embedding itself in their hand, and altering them to be a sorcerer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A shadow sorcerer who, during an attack that they feared killed their family, was ripped into a planar portal and lost in the Shadowfell. When they finally found their way back to the prime material plane, they had been infused with shadow magic</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A wild magic sorcerer who (I've seen this twice) either stole or created a potion of pure magic. Upon drinking the potion, they were infused with raw, uncontrollable magicks.</li> </ul>None of those stories involved an entity, but they all did involve an "event" a singular point in time where the magic was infused into the person.Fully agreed. I tend to remove nature domain gods and arcane domain gods, to keep those concepts separated.</blockquote>

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