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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9315279" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Ah, so you want to delete the wizard class instead. Why? Because, let us be clear, this would absolutely end up with the dissolution of the wizard class. Um, what? Who said I'm unwilling to change my game? I just said I wouldn't get rid of the wizard. I added more Ranger exclusive spells. You know... fixing the problem as I could? I've also taken some wizard spells and moved them to be "found only", meaning that you can't learn that spell "naturally" you need to find it in game, allowing me to keep a tighter handle on them. Neither of which required me to tell wizard players to suck it up and play something else because I don't like how wizards gain access to too many spells. You know, kind of like changing mechanics instead of deleting classes from the game. ... Yes, something being well-liked requires more people to like it than to hate it. And if there are a lot of people who hate it AND can't stand it... then it may have issues... This is how liking things works. And how things can be well-liked. Cleric is also Full Caster, plus other stuff. Druid is full caster, plus other stuff. Sorcerer is full caster, plus other stuff. So... what is your point? Full Casters are overpowered? No. But until I get something more definitive than "other stuff" I have to look at the complaints, which seem to be.... bards are full casters who can use weapons? But they can't use weapons effectively... which makes them overpowered? Well, since weapons are a focus, then combat is a focus and bards are a class with an obvious weakpoint in combat. They find it difficult to build to deal a lot of damage. If you want to talk out of combat... well, then I need something here because outside of social situations... bards are fine? Like, they are good, but they generally aren't overwhelmingly good. They are a support class. If your point is that they make other characters better and more effective... yeah, support class. That's what they do in a team game. But they aren't overpowered.</blockquote>

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