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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9316540" data-attributes="member: 6801228">See, I think this kind of misses the point though. A Divine Soul sorcerer ISN'T just "a holy themed fullcaster with access to cleric spells" Nor is that what the Celestial Warlock is. Most Celestial warlocks I've seen follow the route of "I was a piece of crap person, then I made a deal with a celestial, and as part of that deal I am FORCED to repent/rehabilitate". Because the warlock is about the pact. And sure, sure, you could play a fighter with the exact same backstory so what does it matter? It matters because the themes of the class are part of the class. A cleric worships a deity, they are part of the official hierarchy of that deity. A Divine Soul Sorcerer... isn't. They can be used to tell other stories. I mean, why is it that the Dragon Patron is one of the most requested warlock patrons? We have Drakeguard Rangers, Ascendant Dragon Monks, Dragon Sorcerers, we have dragon themed subclasses everywhere, why do we need a warlock patron? Because that warlock patron slots into different stories. It isn't just "dragon themed subclass" it is "dragon themed WARLOCK" with all that that can offer.</blockquote>