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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9318692" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I was going to respond to someone, but I think this point gets made better in isolation. Because there is a fundamental problem with the claim that martial skill cannot rise to the level of &quot;supernatural&quot; effects. Wizards. Stop and consider for a moment how a wizard is defined in Dungeons and Dragons. Are wizards innately supernatural? No. Wizards learn a skill. Magic in DnD is a learned skill, just like dance or music or biology or archeology. There are of course many other ways that magic can be achieved, but our default understanding of the wizard is that they learn a skill. However, then we turn around and say that a Fighter who learns a skill CANNOT achieve a &quot;supernatural&quot; effect. A fighter needs an explanation, because skill alone isn't enough to become supernatural... like wizards are? But wizardry is a learned skill. A street urchin can find a magical textbook, and practice to learn wizardry, just like they could practice to learn medicine, or practice the arts of war. Monks are supernatural, but it is skill and training. So... this thing people say cannot possibly work in DnD.... is exactly how DnD works. You can become so skilled at math and physics that you can fly. You can become so skilled at punching and breathing that you can teleport. Why can't you become so skilled with a sword that you can cut something your blade didn't touch?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9318692, member: 6801228"] I was going to respond to someone, but I think this point gets made better in isolation. Because there is a fundamental problem with the claim that martial skill cannot rise to the level of "supernatural" effects. Wizards. Stop and consider for a moment how a wizard is defined in Dungeons and Dragons. Are wizards innately supernatural? No. Wizards learn a skill. Magic in DnD is a learned skill, just like dance or music or biology or archeology. There are of course many other ways that magic can be achieved, but our default understanding of the wizard is that they learn a skill. However, then we turn around and say that a Fighter who learns a skill CANNOT achieve a "supernatural" effect. A fighter needs an explanation, because skill alone isn't enough to become supernatural... like wizards are? But wizardry is a learned skill. A street urchin can find a magical textbook, and practice to learn wizardry, just like they could practice to learn medicine, or practice the arts of war. Monks are supernatural, but it is skill and training. So... this thing people say cannot possibly work in DnD.... is exactly how DnD works. You can become so skilled at math and physics that you can fly. You can become so skilled at punching and breathing that you can teleport. Why can't you become so skilled with a sword that you can cut something your blade didn't touch? [/QUOTE]

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