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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9318725" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Right, those people are also generally not actually ordinary humans anymore. Batman has dodged people firing lasers at him, dodged people with super speed, he has survived point blank explosions and walked away from them with little more than a limp. Sure, it is stated that he has no superpowers, but he has also bested people in martial arts whose superpower is being good at martial arts. This, again, gets into definitions. Batman is not a mundane man. Mundane is something anyone can achieve. It is normal. What Batman does is not normal. Sure, we have olympic level sprinters, and we can say he is an olympic level sprinter... and an olympic level weight lifter, olympic level marksman, olympic level acrobat, olympic level swimmer, olympic level martial artist, olympic level ect ect ect. Normal, mundane people, cannot be the best in every single field all at once, while also being a super genius with multiple doctorates and an engineer capable of making super-tech. We can't survive on 3 hours of sleep a day, for years.I think our disagreement here is you see supernatural as a source, if it isn't magic or because god blood, then it is mundane skill to you. I disagree, because I see supernatural as the effect. If you punch so fast your fist catches fire from the air, then it is a supernatural effect, even if the reason you can do so is simply a high level of skill in martial arts.No, mundane means ordinary. Common place. A mundane boxer isn't "weak" compared to a scrub like me, but he isn't going to be punching through steel walls either. You need to be more than a mundane boxer to achieve that effect.Just like wizardry, or monks, in DnD. Wizardry is a skill that a healthy, dedicated person can learn naturally in the worlds of DnD. But the effects they achieve with that skill are not mundane, they are supernatural.I don't think it defeats the point, because of perspective. What is supernatural is clearly supernatural from our perspective on Earth. If a man was throwing fire from his hands on earth, we'd call that supernatural. But multiple people in DnD settings are simply born with that capability. It is completely natural and mundane for an elf to cast a cantrip, or to dream about their own death in a past life. DnD is so full of magic that nature itself is magical in DnD. Which is fine, that's how I like it.Another thing I hate is the idea of "antimagic". With the way the cosmos of DnD works, anti-magic would be like "anti-heat" or "anti-light" it just doesn't make sense. I think a good change to "antimagic" is to make it a space of chaotic magic. Spell constructs are delicate, like glass or origami. Antimagical zones could then be like trying to make origami in a torrential downpour. It just isn't an environment that paper is going to survive in. But something like a plant that is make from the same material, CAN survive that, because it is more robust. That allows us to keep the concept that these things stop spells, while still allowing magical beings like demons and dragons to survive inside them.</blockquote>

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