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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9319719" data-attributes="member: 58172">Celestial and Fiend are pretty much exactly what people have in mind when using the term &quot;supernatural&quot;.Whether Fey and Undead are supernatural or preternatural, is debatable, but they are a similar category.With this view in mind, &quot;natural&quot; is the same thing as the Material Plane. Thus &quot;supernatural&quot; means extraplanar magic, namely from beyond the Material Plane. I remember, 4e calls the Material Plane, &quot;Nature&quot;.Oddly, this definition of means, the part of the Weave that is native to the Material Plane is &quot;natural&quot;.The 2024 Divine power source explicit derives from the place where Celestials are, possibly referring to the entire Astral Plane. If so, Divine magic might be explicitly &quot;supernatural&quot;. If so, it might imply that the Divine classes channel their Weave from the Astral Plane, perhaps via their soul as a conduit.I view the Arcane power source as the science of tracking the magical properties of ordinary objects, including Hellenistic magic, alchemy, and Celtic potions. Note, Feywild and Shadowfell also exhibit Arcane energy, such as illusion with divination or necromancy. So the Weave itself might be Ethereal force. If so, the Weave is the Ether that overlaps the Material World. The natural objects of Arcane magic guide this Weave.If the Divine Weave is Astral and the Arcane Weave is Ethereal, then Weave magic is supernatural.Meanwhile, Primal magic is the magic of nature beings, and Psionic magic is the magic of ones soul (mind, spirit, and ki). Thus Primal and Psionic are innate natural magic. The Martial magic of a Material body is clearly natural.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9319719, member: 58172"] Celestial and Fiend are pretty much exactly what people have in mind when using the term "supernatural". Whether Fey and Undead are supernatural or preternatural, is debatable, but they are a similar category. With this view in mind, "natural" is the same thing as the Material Plane. Thus "supernatural" means extraplanar magic, namely from beyond the Material Plane. I remember, 4e calls the Material Plane, "Nature". Oddly, this definition of means, the part of the Weave that is native to the Material Plane is "natural". The 2024 Divine power source explicit derives from the place where Celestials are, possibly referring to the entire Astral Plane. If so, Divine magic might be explicitly "supernatural". If so, it might imply that the Divine classes channel their Weave from the Astral Plane, perhaps via their soul as a conduit. I view the Arcane power source as the science of tracking the magical properties of ordinary objects, including Hellenistic magic, alchemy, and Celtic potions. Note, Feywild and Shadowfell also exhibit Arcane energy, such as illusion with divination or necromancy. So the Weave itself might be Ethereal force. If so, the Weave is the Ether that overlaps the Material World. The natural objects of Arcane magic guide this Weave. If the Divine Weave is Astral and the Arcane Weave is Ethereal, then Weave magic is supernatural. Meanwhile, Primal magic is the magic of nature beings, and Psionic magic is the magic of ones soul (mind, spirit, and ki). Thus Primal and Psionic are innate natural magic. The Martial magic of a Material body is clearly natural. [/QUOTE]

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