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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9324018" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>Under scrutiny, the concept of a Weave itself seems flawed. Perhaps it is better to delete the Weave from the D&D game.</p><p></p><p>There are forms of magic that antimagic cant suppress, such as dragonbreath, Altho dragonbreath is "magical", and it is an "effect", the current ruling is, antimagic cant suppress it because the description of it doesnt explicitly say it is a "magical effect". Also, Darkvision is magical. But antimagic does suppress the <em>Darkvision</em> spell but doesnt suppress innate Darkvision. And so on. To rely on the hypothesis of a "Weave" offers no clear way sort out the many ambiguous situations.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is clearer and simpler to focus on the definition of a "spell". Instead.</p><p></p><p>• A spell is "the creation of a NEW magical effect, plus its noninstantaneous DURATION, if any". </p><p></p><p>• A magical effect that has an "instantaneous" duration, no longer has a duration after its casting.</p><p></p><p>• Any magical effect with a limited duration, such as "until the start of your next turn", "until you complete a long rest", or "for a week", is noninstanteous.</p><p></p><p>Antimagic can suppress any "spell". Namely, antimagic can suppress any NEW magical effect or any magical effect with a noninstanteous duration.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Simple.</p><p></p><p></p><p>With the definition of a "spell" above, antimagic applies as follows.</p><p></p><p>Antimagic cant suppress a +2 Sword, because this magical enhancement bonus was instanteous and now the magic effect is without a duration.</p><p></p><p>Antimagic can suppress the triggering of any new magical effects of magical sword, as well as any ongoing magical effect with a limited duration.</p><p></p><p>Antimagic can suppress a <em>Fireball</em> spell, because the casting itself is "new" thus its effect is suppressable where overlapping antimagic. The magical fire only exists for an instant, and afterward there is no resulting effect, except for any combustible materials that caught fire and are now burning nonmagically.</p><p></p><p>Antimagic cant suppress a <em>Create Water</em> spell that was cast outside the antimagic, because the resulting water is nonmagical and no longer has a magical duration..</p><p></p><p>Antimagic can suppress dragonbreath because it is new. Note, any new magical effect counts as a "spell", regardless of the method of spellcasting.</p><p></p><p>Antimagic can suppress the <em>Darkvision</em> spell because its effect has a limited duration.</p><p></p><p>Antimagic cant suppress the innate Darkvision of a creature because this magical effect lacks a limited duration. At some point when the creature exhibited Darkvision it did so instantaneously.</p><p></p><p>Antimagic can suppress the force of a <em>Wall of Force</em> spell where overlapping because of its limited duration. </p><p></p><p>Antimagic cant suppress the force of gravity of a demiplane whose duration is unlimited. But it can suppress the force of an <em>Antigravity</em> spell because of its limited duration.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There is no Weave. There are only new magical events, versus old (preexisting, inherent, self-perpetuating) magical phenomena. Antimagic can only suppress the formation of new magical events.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9324018, member: 58172"] Under scrutiny, the concept of a Weave itself seems flawed. Perhaps it is better to delete the Weave from the D&D game. There are forms of magic that antimagic cant suppress, such as dragonbreath, Altho dragonbreath is "magical", and it is an "effect", the current ruling is, antimagic cant suppress it because the description of it doesnt explicitly say it is a "magical effect". Also, Darkvision is magical. But antimagic does suppress the [I]Darkvision[/I] spell but doesnt suppress innate Darkvision. And so on. To rely on the hypothesis of a "Weave" offers no clear way sort out the many ambiguous situations. It is clearer and simpler to focus on the definition of a "spell". Instead. • A spell is "the creation of a NEW magical effect, plus its noninstantaneous DURATION, if any". • A magical effect that has an "instantaneous" duration, no longer has a duration after its casting. • Any magical effect with a limited duration, such as "until the start of your next turn", "until you complete a long rest", or "for a week", is noninstanteous. Antimagic can suppress any "spell". Namely, antimagic can suppress any NEW magical effect or any magical effect with a noninstanteous duration. Simple. With the definition of a "spell" above, antimagic applies as follows. Antimagic cant suppress a +2 Sword, because this magical enhancement bonus was instanteous and now the magic effect is without a duration. Antimagic can suppress the triggering of any new magical effects of magical sword, as well as any ongoing magical effect with a limited duration. Antimagic can suppress a [I]Fireball[/I] spell, because the casting itself is "new" thus its effect is suppressable where overlapping antimagic. The magical fire only exists for an instant, and afterward there is no resulting effect, except for any combustible materials that caught fire and are now burning nonmagically. Antimagic cant suppress a [I]Create Water[/I] spell that was cast outside the antimagic, because the resulting water is nonmagical and no longer has a magical duration.. Antimagic can suppress dragonbreath because it is new. Note, any new magical effect counts as a "spell", regardless of the method of spellcasting. Antimagic can suppress the [I]Darkvision[/I] spell because its effect has a limited duration. Antimagic cant suppress the innate Darkvision of a creature because this magical effect lacks a limited duration. At some point when the creature exhibited Darkvision it did so instantaneously. Antimagic can suppress the force of a [I]Wall of Force[/I] spell where overlapping because of its limited duration. Antimagic cant suppress the force of gravity of a demiplane whose duration is unlimited. But it can suppress the force of an [I]Antigravity[/I] spell because of its limited duration. There is no Weave. There are only new magical events, versus old (preexisting, inherent, self-perpetuating) magical phenomena. Antimagic can only suppress the formation of new magical events. [/QUOTE]
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