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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stormtower" data-source="post: 5380284" data-attributes="member: 43631">How quickly we rush to judgment.Would it have appeased your needs if I had phrased it "We are firing WotC as our gaming company," rather than the other way around?Hmm, I am looking around my house.  Just looked in the mirror, my nose is still attached.  House doesn't seem to be burning down.  Baby's still in the tub with the bathwater.  I don't see a bullethole in my foot.  Heck, my 4E books (the non-Essentials 2007-2010 stuff) are still on my shelf!  Does that mean... I can still use them with pencil & paper if I don't like the new online CB?  Wow, whoda thunk it.You call me a self-righteous victim?  That raises my hackles, right there.  I ran 4E at the last three GenCons and was tapped to judge the 2010 D&D Championship preliminary and finals rounds there.  It was awesome!  4E ran great, I had fun, and my tables had fun.  I've been one of the on-the-fence customers for the last three years, buying D&D and Pathfinder stuff and running both, because I am fracking lucky and can afford the time and $$ for both.  No way am I "quitting the hobby."  As far as consumer loyalty goes, I'm ticked off that the Essentials launch and the new CB have reduced my existing 4E collection in value.  Note that, as another poster said, value is a very subjective term.  In my opinion, there is no further perceived VALUE in remaining a customer of WotC.  Yet, there has been and remains perceived value (for ME, not you) in supporting Paizo with my consumer dollars.Perhaps you are correct that I am "punishing" Wizards of the Coast by withdrawing my financial support when their products no longer suit my needs.  How else shall I voice my displeasure with their business decisions?  You come on here and drop accusations of being "irrational, petty and stupid."  Shall I in turn say the same of those who have decided to stay with 4E and the new CB?  No, not so much.  Want to know why?  It's their choice.  Know why else?  It's disrespectful to them.  One more reason why not: I have been a TTRPG gamer since 1982, and I want our hobby to survive & thrive.  Only mutual respect and open discussion can engender its survival and evolution.  I don't begrudge anyone their 4E gaming, so leave off with the personal accusations of self-righteousness.  We might have more in common than you think, aside from our different game system preferences.  But you chose to drop terms like "irrational, petty and stupid."  Tell me why the edition wars are raging again?  Whose fault is it?  Check my posting history on here -- I have consistently argued that room exists in the TTRPG world for both systems (plus many more!). What has grown old and tiresome is the lack of cooperation and unity among gamers since the 4E/PF split.  We are all here largely because we are passionate about fantasy RPGs.  The discourse between gamers has rapidly grown harsher and more judgmental.  Play what you like, and I'll do the same.</blockquote>

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