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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mike Sullivan" data-source="post: 1037849" data-attributes="member: 9824">I caught that, actually.  I just really, really, truly and honestly, don't undestand at all where you're coming from on it.  It's like you're saying, "Of course it's an interpretation that cats are fish."  I understand that you're just saying that it's your opinion, and that you aren't trying to force it on me, but I don't understand at all why you think that cats are fish.  It's not just that I disagree with you.Woah, hang on.  Let's try this again:1.  Granted that the PHB assumes that Monks are, in general, disciplined, lawful types, and thus, by inference, that all of their special abilities stem from that discipline.2.  Why does a Wis-based AC bonus seem to you like a particularly apt "discipline-based ability" as opposed to, say, fast movement or Abundant Step?'Cause you aren't really making an argument above.  Why can't a Chaotic guy "tune himself to sense danger"?  Is being sensitive a particularly Lawful trait?Would you regard a 10 Wis Monk to be less disciplined than an 18 Wis Monk?Sure, it could be.  Or it could be that, I dunno, a Chaotic guy learns to expect the unexpected.What I'm not seeing here is any particular thing about the Wis-based AC bonus that your argument plays to.  I mean, could I not say,"As an interpretation, tuning oneself properly to run really fast requires discipline, and it could be this focus that allows the monk to run fast"?But, obviously, fast movement isn't a Lawful ability -- just ask the Barbarian.Surely it's not a Lawful trait to "care how the world around you acts"?He is a government agent, true.  On the other hand, he gleefully lies and manipulates the protagonist's life, and is just a cackling little trickster.His powers are obviously unlike those of a D&D Monk, but he is explicitely identified as a buddhist monk in the movie, and he's obviously supposed to be a martial arts master -- it's just that in the Ninja Scroll milieu, martial arts are a broader thing than in the D&D one.   My bad.  Twin Warriors, not Twin Dragons.  Here's the IMDB link: <a href="http://us.imdb.com/Title?0108281" target="_blank">http://us.imdb.com/Title?0108281</a>Why create a PrC, and what would the differences from a normal Monk be, besides alignment?  Granted that the philosophical outlooks would be quite different between a normal monk and a "crazy old hermit" monk, what would the difference be in their actual class abilities?  What of the normal monk's abilities is specifically geared towards "maintaining/promoting an established organization"?  See, I wouldn't allow someone to play a Chaotic Monk because they whined about how they "can't act how they want" under a Lawful alignment.  Tough cookies, hypothetical player-of-mine!I would allow a Chaotic Monk if someone came to me and said, "I want to play such-and-such a character, the Chaotic Monk.  See, he should logically be Chaotic because of this-and-that, and he should logically be a martial-arts badass as an outgrowth of the same this-and-that."EDIT:  UBB code.</blockquote>

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