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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7901092" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>If people have different views on what's good out of the current options, I'm not sure how introducing yet another option will change that. It just creates another thing that people might like or dislike compared to the other options.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I personally don't see where this image of GH comes from. As I already posted I own nearly every pre-3E GH book (all the campaign guides, all or nearly all the modules). The first village published is Hommlet, and it does have adventurers in the pub. Greyhawk City is big and pretty cosmopolitan. There is no indication that peasants in places like Furyondy or Nyrond or Keoland aren't treated nicely. There is very little presentation of feudalism - rather there are a lot of Counts and Dukes Palatine, independent Princes, etc.</p><p></p><p>The rulers of the pseudo-vikings all have levels in illusionist as well as fighter. The king of Furyondy is a paladin. The ruler of the City of Greyhawk is a thief (in the D&D sense, ie a pickpocket and second-story man), and has a guildmaster thief and assassin on his town council. None of this is terribly realistic. It's pulp through-and-through.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I was recently re-reading the Watchmen graphic novel. There is a continuity error in the final issues - at one point one of the clocks on Veidt's wall in his Antarctic base is labelled Paris, and then in a later panel in the next issue it is labelled Moscow.</p><p></p><p>This is one of the most renowned comics of all time, written and illustrated by great storytellers, with some of the best editing in the business. And within the space of two issues there is an inconsistency.</p><p></p><p>The idea that WotC would publish a book <em>to resolve the question of whether the King of Keoland is a 14th or 15th level ranger </em>is just too bizarre for words. Even if they were to publish a new GH book, this wouldn't be something they worried about. Maybe this time around he'll be 16th! Or 13th.</p><p></p><p>And the idea that it would affect play is also, to me at least, pretty unbelievable. If someone is really hardcore into the setting then they'll know the sources don't all agree, and so will recognise that the GM has to make a call! (Assuming play has even got to the point where it matters how many attacks per round the king of Keoland can make. How often has that come up in the history of GH play?)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7901092, member: 42582"] If people have different views on what's good out of the current options, I'm not sure how introducing yet another option will change that. It just creates another thing that people might like or dislike compared to the other options. I personally don't see where this image of GH comes from. As I already posted I own nearly every pre-3E GH book (all the campaign guides, all or nearly all the modules). The first village published is Hommlet, and it does have adventurers in the pub. Greyhawk City is big and pretty cosmopolitan. There is no indication that peasants in places like Furyondy or Nyrond or Keoland aren't treated nicely. There is very little presentation of feudalism - rather there are a lot of Counts and Dukes Palatine, independent Princes, etc. The rulers of the pseudo-vikings all have levels in illusionist as well as fighter. The king of Furyondy is a paladin. The ruler of the City of Greyhawk is a thief (in the D&D sense, ie a pickpocket and second-story man), and has a guildmaster thief and assassin on his town council. None of this is terribly realistic. It's pulp through-and-through. I was recently re-reading the Watchmen graphic novel. There is a continuity error in the final issues - at one point one of the clocks on Veidt's wall in his Antarctic base is labelled Paris, and then in a later panel in the next issue it is labelled Moscow. This is one of the most renowned comics of all time, written and illustrated by great storytellers, with some of the best editing in the business. And within the space of two issues there is an inconsistency. The idea that WotC would publish a book [I]to resolve the question of whether the King of Keoland is a 14th or 15th level ranger [/I]is just too bizarre for words. Even if they were to publish a new GH book, this wouldn't be something they worried about. Maybe this time around he'll be 16th! Or 13th. And the idea that it would affect play is also, to me at least, pretty unbelievable. If someone is really hardcore into the setting then they'll know the sources don't all agree, and so will recognise that the GM has to make a call! (Assuming play has even got to the point where it matters how many attacks per round the king of Keoland can make. How often has that come up in the history of GH play?) [/QUOTE]
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