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<blockquote data-quote="Guilt Puppy" data-source="post: 2003039" data-attributes="member: 6521"><p>wings: From a strictly rules point of view, the SRD is generally pretty specific when something deviates from the norm -- since it doesn't specify that it's anything but, there's no reason to interpret it as anything other than <em>use a magic item - standard action.</em> Beyond that, detaching an orb isn't really analogous to drawing a weapon, nor is tossing it analogous to attack, seeing as it doesn't require much aim. The closest common action I can compare it to is firing a bow, which involves pulling an arrow from a quiver, nocking it, aiming and shooting, all as a standard action... And it's simpler still than that. Standard action.</p><p></p><p>dpdx: I was aware of that -- it's <em>evasion</em> that came into play. But I double-checked that, and it can only be done in light or no armor, not the big painted breastplate, so you are correct. He still gets dropped by Fendric's attack, at least.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I think there's about zero chance that everyone's going to come away from the encounter feeling in any way satisfied at this point, so hell. Let's move on. For future reference, while I'm open to any and all criticism regarding application of the rules, or anything else, I should make it clear that I prefer not to modify rulings, even if they are incorrect... If it's a really bad oversight on my part, that's one thing... But smaller things, even if they have a large impact, I prefer to let stand. First, because in the long run, those little mistakes are going to work in your favor as often as they work against you... And more importantly, because it doesn't do a lot of good to have every unfavorable event reviewed under the microscope. There is a good amount of role-playing value in the occasional loss, and I don't want to see that aspect of the game removed by other distractions.</p><p></p><p>BTW, as frustrating as it is, I want to make it clear that I don't fault anyone for raising any objections here. Really, it just shows that you're genuinely involved in the game, and I'm glad to see that -- I mean, you guys just scored some nice magic items and XP, and none of you died or even expended any valuable resources in doing so, and you're <em>complaining</em>? It just shows that you take your characters and the game world seriously, and if I take a step back from the heat I really have to appreciate that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Sparky: I wasn't aware that crucibleworlds was even still alive! So, no, I haven't used it in ages.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guilt Puppy, post: 2003039, member: 6521"] wings: From a strictly rules point of view, the SRD is generally pretty specific when something deviates from the norm -- since it doesn't specify that it's anything but, there's no reason to interpret it as anything other than [i]use a magic item - standard action.[/i] Beyond that, detaching an orb isn't really analogous to drawing a weapon, nor is tossing it analogous to attack, seeing as it doesn't require much aim. The closest common action I can compare it to is firing a bow, which involves pulling an arrow from a quiver, nocking it, aiming and shooting, all as a standard action... And it's simpler still than that. Standard action. dpdx: I was aware of that -- it's [i]evasion[/i] that came into play. But I double-checked that, and it can only be done in light or no armor, not the big painted breastplate, so you are correct. He still gets dropped by Fendric's attack, at least. Anyway, I think there's about zero chance that everyone's going to come away from the encounter feeling in any way satisfied at this point, so hell. Let's move on. For future reference, while I'm open to any and all criticism regarding application of the rules, or anything else, I should make it clear that I prefer not to modify rulings, even if they are incorrect... If it's a really bad oversight on my part, that's one thing... But smaller things, even if they have a large impact, I prefer to let stand. First, because in the long run, those little mistakes are going to work in your favor as often as they work against you... And more importantly, because it doesn't do a lot of good to have every unfavorable event reviewed under the microscope. There is a good amount of role-playing value in the occasional loss, and I don't want to see that aspect of the game removed by other distractions. BTW, as frustrating as it is, I want to make it clear that I don't fault anyone for raising any objections here. Really, it just shows that you're genuinely involved in the game, and I'm glad to see that -- I mean, you guys just scored some nice magic items and XP, and none of you died or even expended any valuable resources in doing so, and you're [i]complaining[/i]? It just shows that you take your characters and the game world seriously, and if I take a step back from the heat I really have to appreciate that :) Sparky: I wasn't aware that crucibleworlds was even still alive! So, no, I haven't used it in ages. [/QUOTE]
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