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Message: <blockquote data-quote="periculum" data-source="post: 2505325" data-attributes="member: 33253">The idea with the Immortal Horizon is to limit Divine and immortal meddling with the Prime. We should not enter the Prime ourselves. We can manifest stuff there and can affect stuff as we like. This also makes it much harder for non-divine immortals to come to the Prime. This will follow the D&D standard that demons and angels and so on cannot just come to the prime and run amok. Our influence should be felt through our followers and their divine abilites. I am thinking that we can affect the Prime pretty strongly still for while as the Horizon gains strength. Then at some point we will have to rely on followers and then the occaisional divine intervention.This is not an all encompassing barrier that cuts off all contact with the Prime as this may seem to imply.I agree in that we should not enter the Prime in our entirety, but I think it would be a mistake to ban us bodily from that plane all together. I think we should still be able to manifest a minor representation of ourselves, an avator, of power no greater than that of a titan. I do not believe that this would be detrimental to the state of the prime due to the fact that beings of such power live their naturally already.Also I do not believe our powers over the prime should weaken, ever, in regards to our portfolio. As I see it, a deity regulates the laws and powers of nature. They don't simply manipulate them in the occassional act of divine intervention, rather they are the driving force behind them and one could not exist without the other. I.E. without shara there would be no suns, without traume no death, without endovior no magic, and vica versa, etc.Now at some point things will naturally wind down. Barring extraordinary circumstances, Tocho is not going to create a whole planetary ecosystem's worth of animals again such as he did when he first came into existence, nor with moss and plants, nor would shara likely ever create another sun. However, the point is that they could and should be ABLE to do so.I have no problem with limiting extraplanar travel among non-deific creatures such as demons and angels, but I see gods as having a direct and inextricable connection with the universe and the prime in particular (the center of the universe).I don't think our ideas are that different, and certainly not incompatible. I agree to limiting divine influence over the prime so that we don't have any other catastrophic incidents there (such as god wars and oops I blew up the world). I simply maintain that we should maintain control over our portfolios thus being able to perform our godly duties, and that we should be able to manifest a physical presence on the plane on par with the creatures that live there.</blockquote>

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