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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The_Universe" data-source="post: 1834483" data-attributes="member: 8944">In case it's not apparent above, I (for one) am appreciative of the heads up at least.  I'm not necessarily trying to debate you, but my request for information on how to get Archon out of the "jerk" rut was sincere.  PLEASE help me - as I said, I've offered several olive branches, and have had all of them thrown back at me, twisted and broken.  Tell me what needs to be done, and I'll see what I can do.  This is as good a forum for it as any.   Not in the current situation, no.  When Archon presented it to her, he did nothing to make it seem attractive to her, and when she turned away from the idea, he became threatening.  A lot of stuff would have to happen IC to make this a possibility, most of which would require Archon to use a "social" skill other than intimidate.  Also, he'd have to work something out that makes sense with his current beau, to whom he has semi-publicly proclaimed his love.   I'm not saying you've got to jump for joy with the possibility of an alliance with the Bluestar, but you can and should recognize that the two evils are not emanating from the same source, and are of disparate goals and means.  Furthermore, you should be able to distinguish a lesser evil from a greater one.  Lastly, you *still* don't know what the Bluestar's interest in all of this is, since no one will investigate.  It's probably got a nefarious angle, at least, but you're just grasping in the dark, willfully remaining ignorant in case you find out things aren't as bad as you think they may be.  :/   Just because the other options present a weaker claim, doesn't mean you need to abandon trying to make one.  Weaker and nonexistent are not the same thing.  Furthermore, you've already said, "screw it, let's have a rebellion" because the current framework is dominated by a tainted King.  The only way to pursue your claim in a non-rebellious manner would be to just wait for Tain to die, and hope that Jaine's still alive to press her claim, then.  In addition, since you don't know what the terms of AB's oath are, you really can't know how his proximity to the throne will affect you.  I could accept a lot of this if you had made an attempt to learn about the oath...but no one has.  That's not just Archon's fault, and I don't want to make it sound liek it is.  Regardless of whether he marries Jaine, you hope to use his troops at the Isle of Mourning, right? You're going to HAVE to try to learn what the bounds of his oath are...and now is as good a time as any.</blockquote>

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