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<blockquote data-quote="Eluvan" data-source="post: 2580503" data-attributes="member: 24812"><p>That's a really great idea Tyler, I love it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p> More detailed thoughts below, since you seem to want an air of secrecy here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>[sblock]Bard definitely sounds to me like the right choice of class. In terms of actual abilities I guess what you are looking for is a Jack of All Trades, since then you'd have the largest possible array of tools with which to improvise. So... I'd go for mainly bard, with a splash of rogue (as your first level ideally) for extra skill-heavy goodness and a bit of Sneak Attack. Maybe 2 Rogue levels for Evasion... it seems to fit the theme. If you want to look into Psionics, a level of Psion would let you pick up powers like Call to Mind, Skate, and Deja Vu... those are just a few which seem to lend themselves really well to your concept. It would mean spreading yourself thinner though, so think it over carefully. </p><p></p><p> I don't know if you have access to Complete Adventurer... if so, I heartily reccomend looking at the Bard spells in it, cause they're really flavourful and cool. They might entice you to lean more heavily towards Bard in your character build. If you don't have it, let me know and I'll send you some information on the relevant spells if you're interested. There are some nice Bard-orientated feats, too. </p><p></p><p> Ability scores - seems like your first priority will be Int, for as many skill points as you can cram. Cha should be high, particularly if you're going the route of the bard. I assume you want some combat strength too. Going Dex-based would allow you to beef lots of your skills at the same time. The cheesy option of 3 levels of Swashbuckler might look quite appealing at this point, to pick up free Weapon Finesse, Int Bonus to damage, and some BAB. </p><p></p><p> As for a race... hmmm. First thing to remember is not to limit yourself to what you have rules for. If you don't have the rules for playing a certain race, I might. And if neither of us do, we can make some up. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> That said... have you considered a pixie? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Seriously. It seems like it would be perfect for your concept, though it would leave you with a hefty ECL of +4, and one racial HD (a d6, with 6+Int skill points, and a feat). In the MM it says the ECL goes up to +6 if you have access to Otto's Irresistable Dance, but SS has a system that seems better to me; all Pixies have potential access to it, but they need a Cha of 20 or better to use it (bear in mind they get a racial +2 to Cha). Honestly, the more I think about it the more I think a Pixie would be perfect. The spell like abilities are great for what you have in mind I think. </p><p></p><p> Still... I can imagine that might not be what you had in mind. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Otherwise... if I was you I think I'd be tempted by a Succubus (or Incubus). You wouldn't start with any levels that way of course... and couldn't take any until level 13, in fact. I guess that'll probably put you off. But they get very nice ability modifiers (+6 Cha! Wheee!), some spell like abilities, some feats that will let you customise them to your needs, plenty of skills points, a good combat presence (at level 8 you'll have +7... yeah, *7* Natural Armor, as well as Energy Drain and a +2 bonus to your Con and Dex. Only a +5 BAB and 5HD (d8s), but... as I say, I'd be tempted.</p><p></p><p> If you want something that will let you take a fuller complement of class levels... hmmm. You say you have Races of Faerun? Take a look at Fey'ri maybe. I can see them working. Spell like abilities (including Alter Self at will!), flight, some decent ability mods, Darkvision, and lots of racial skill bonuses. </p><p></p><p> Or, as the super ECL-light option, how about a Changeling (from Eberron Campaign Setting)? No ECL at all, and they give you a nifty Disguise Self at will ability and some nice weirdness to play around with. No other bonuses to speak of, but for no ECL you can't go wrong, right? </p><p></p><p> Hope that's given you some ideas, anyway. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eluvan, post: 2580503, member: 24812"] That's a really great idea Tyler, I love it. :) More detailed thoughts below, since you seem to want an air of secrecy here. :p [sblock]Bard definitely sounds to me like the right choice of class. In terms of actual abilities I guess what you are looking for is a Jack of All Trades, since then you'd have the largest possible array of tools with which to improvise. So... I'd go for mainly bard, with a splash of rogue (as your first level ideally) for extra skill-heavy goodness and a bit of Sneak Attack. Maybe 2 Rogue levels for Evasion... it seems to fit the theme. If you want to look into Psionics, a level of Psion would let you pick up powers like Call to Mind, Skate, and Deja Vu... those are just a few which seem to lend themselves really well to your concept. It would mean spreading yourself thinner though, so think it over carefully. I don't know if you have access to Complete Adventurer... if so, I heartily reccomend looking at the Bard spells in it, cause they're really flavourful and cool. They might entice you to lean more heavily towards Bard in your character build. If you don't have it, let me know and I'll send you some information on the relevant spells if you're interested. There are some nice Bard-orientated feats, too. Ability scores - seems like your first priority will be Int, for as many skill points as you can cram. Cha should be high, particularly if you're going the route of the bard. I assume you want some combat strength too. Going Dex-based would allow you to beef lots of your skills at the same time. The cheesy option of 3 levels of Swashbuckler might look quite appealing at this point, to pick up free Weapon Finesse, Int Bonus to damage, and some BAB. As for a race... hmmm. First thing to remember is not to limit yourself to what you have rules for. If you don't have the rules for playing a certain race, I might. And if neither of us do, we can make some up. :) That said... have you considered a pixie? :D Seriously. It seems like it would be perfect for your concept, though it would leave you with a hefty ECL of +4, and one racial HD (a d6, with 6+Int skill points, and a feat). In the MM it says the ECL goes up to +6 if you have access to Otto's Irresistable Dance, but SS has a system that seems better to me; all Pixies have potential access to it, but they need a Cha of 20 or better to use it (bear in mind they get a racial +2 to Cha). Honestly, the more I think about it the more I think a Pixie would be perfect. The spell like abilities are great for what you have in mind I think. Still... I can imagine that might not be what you had in mind. :p Otherwise... if I was you I think I'd be tempted by a Succubus (or Incubus). You wouldn't start with any levels that way of course... and couldn't take any until level 13, in fact. I guess that'll probably put you off. But they get very nice ability modifiers (+6 Cha! Wheee!), some spell like abilities, some feats that will let you customise them to your needs, plenty of skills points, a good combat presence (at level 8 you'll have +7... yeah, *7* Natural Armor, as well as Energy Drain and a +2 bonus to your Con and Dex. Only a +5 BAB and 5HD (d8s), but... as I say, I'd be tempted. If you want something that will let you take a fuller complement of class levels... hmmm. You say you have Races of Faerun? Take a look at Fey'ri maybe. I can see them working. Spell like abilities (including Alter Self at will!), flight, some decent ability mods, Darkvision, and lots of racial skill bonuses. Or, as the super ECL-light option, how about a Changeling (from Eberron Campaign Setting)? No ECL at all, and they give you a nifty Disguise Self at will ability and some nice weirdness to play around with. No other bonuses to speak of, but for no ECL you can't go wrong, right? Hope that's given you some ideas, anyway. :)[/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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