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<blockquote data-quote="Wrahn" data-source="post: 1852314" data-attributes="member: 9191">Su'ryuu is in the process of being modified, let's wait till we see a final version.The reason I value clerics so highly in Non-combat situations is the VAST array of spells, particularly divinations that they have.&nbsp; While I am not saying Sigrun is useless in Non-combat situations (far from it), what I am saying is that the versatility of the clerics spells, it is difficult to compete with just skills.&nbsp; The more books that they have access to, the more powerful they become.Having actually played in an epic game, I can assure you, anything that we fight that is suppose to challenge us will be immune to criticals.&nbsp; They have to be, have you ever seen a high level rogue go to town on someting?&nbsp; Ever seen a vorpal sword going snicker-snack?So while mooks and the like will probably be sown like wheat, the BBEGs (which more than likely are going to be gods which are automatically immune to criticals according to dieties and demigods) are going to have to be dealt with the old fashion way.&nbsp; Which is why I would rank Rahveon low on offensive, that and because as Ferrix said, casters have a lot of tricks up their sleeves.Which is why I listed Arion the lowest, even though the +12 to Hit and +6d6 damage per swing is impressive with arcane strike, the BBEGs are going to be able to neutralize him, either by keeping him busy with something else or keeping him away.As far as Caria goes, my theory here is that Loudbark is nearly the combatant that Solarian is, and Caria is at least equal to him in spell casting, but two people get more actions than one, which is why I placed them higher than Solarian offensively.&nbsp; I did count Loudbark against her in her defense.As far as Sigruns special defenses go, yes they are impressive, but they can also be foiled and then Sigrun is screwed, he also can't cast when he is in the big astral construct (if I remember correctly) hampering his offense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wrahn, post: 1852314, member: 9191"] Su'ryuu is in the process of being modified, let's wait till we see a final version. The reason I value clerics so highly in Non-combat situations is the VAST array of spells, particularly divinations that they have. While I am not saying Sigrun is useless in Non-combat situations (far from it), what I am saying is that the versatility of the clerics spells, it is difficult to compete with just skills. The more books that they have access to, the more powerful they become. Having actually played in an epic game, I can assure you, anything that we fight that is suppose to challenge us will be immune to criticals. They have to be, have you ever seen a high level rogue go to town on someting? Ever seen a vorpal sword going snicker-snack? So while mooks and the like will probably be sown like wheat, the BBEGs (which more than likely are going to be gods which are automatically immune to criticals according to dieties and demigods) are going to have to be dealt with the old fashion way. Which is why I would rank Rahveon low on offensive, that and because as Ferrix said, casters have a lot of tricks up their sleeves. Which is why I listed Arion the lowest, even though the +12 to Hit and +6d6 damage per swing is impressive with arcane strike, the BBEGs are going to be able to neutralize him, either by keeping him busy with something else or keeping him away. As far as Caria goes, my theory here is that Loudbark is nearly the combatant that Solarian is, and Caria is at least equal to him in spell casting, but two people get more actions than one, which is why I placed them higher than Solarian offensively. I did count Loudbark against her in her defense. As far as Sigruns special defenses go, yes they are impressive, but they can also be foiled and then Sigrun is screwed, he also can't cast when he is in the big astral construct (if I remember correctly) hampering his offense. [/QUOTE]

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