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<blockquote data-quote="Wrahn" data-source="post: 1855056" data-attributes="member: 9191">1)&nbsp; Spellcasters already do the most damage at this level of the game, why on earth would we want to make it easier for the bad guys to do damage to us.2) You are comparing the saves against the wrong things.&nbsp; (Not that Solarian and Rahveon's saves aren't still high)3) Rahveon's saves (and an Immunity to Fire) are his only defense against magic, lowering them would be foolish4) Your argument could be used with any aspect of an epic character, Arion's Skills, Rahveon's Strength, Sigrun's constructs, Caria's summoning5) Some characters have advantages over other characters.&nbsp; High Skills are one aspect, high saves are another, more hit point, better spell casting, more psionic point, higher DCs, ability to cast more spells per round.6) From &quot;exotic&quot; (luck, sacred, morale, competence) magic bonuses Solarian has 6 and Rahveon has 4, all coming from things that do other things on their character (Greater Heroism, Heroism, Luckstone, competence bonus)&nbsp; Removing the other bonuses is only going to widen the gap.7) There are a plethora of spells that do not offer saves (meteor swarm, maze, imprisonment) that will plenty effective against those who have high saves.8) If we keep our saves at approxiamately the same relationship, we really haven't done anything, if our saves were all -10 then Isida would still have to make creatures with the DC 0 saves</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wrahn, post: 1855056, member: 9191"] 1) Spellcasters already do the most damage at this level of the game, why on earth would we want to make it easier for the bad guys to do damage to us. 2) You are comparing the saves against the wrong things. (Not that Solarian and Rahveon's saves aren't still high) 3) Rahveon's saves (and an Immunity to Fire) are his only defense against magic, lowering them would be foolish 4) Your argument could be used with any aspect of an epic character, Arion's Skills, Rahveon's Strength, Sigrun's constructs, Caria's summoning 5) Some characters have advantages over other characters. High Skills are one aspect, high saves are another, more hit point, better spell casting, more psionic point, higher DCs, ability to cast more spells per round. 6) From "exotic" (luck, sacred, morale, competence) magic bonuses Solarian has 6 and Rahveon has 4, all coming from things that do other things on their character (Greater Heroism, Heroism, Luckstone, competence bonus) Removing the other bonuses is only going to widen the gap. 7) There are a plethora of spells that do not offer saves (meteor swarm, maze, imprisonment) that will plenty effective against those who have high saves. 8) If we keep our saves at approxiamately the same relationship, we really haven't done anything, if our saves were all -10 then Isida would still have to make creatures with the DC 0 saves [/QUOTE]

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