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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kelleris" data-source="post: 1859828" data-attributes="member: 19130">Blech...  Think I'm coming down with something...That is an insane number of hoops to jump through to make a completely twinked out save character.  Whether a 70-HD outsider should even be CR 30 is highly doubtful to begin with.  And you still need all of a 13 with your worst save against his very best spells.  Your example is so skewed it's ridiculous.You logic regarding the guidelines baffles me.  Well, it doesn't actually, but it would if I thought you were looking at it from an even remotely unbiased point of view.  Are you seriously saying that using the DM-only guidelines as the end-all and be-all rules is right, because they're somehow only guidelines for the DM?As for the level of Duelist.  Yes, it is cheesy, quite so.  Which made me work all the harder to avoid the cheese in other areas, especially items.  Please note how few inanely underpriced items I have, if any.  Aside from that, let's look at how my AC stacks up against the rest of the party:Arion: 57 (66 melee)Sigrun: 47Rahveon: 56Solarion: 68Caira: 37Tsunami: 58Pilmer: 54Su'ryuu: 47In other words, right into the upper-middle of the melee people.  I honestly think it's a bit high, but it matches well with my attack bonus, and I have to be able to stand in the same melees as the characters you made.  Arion has a high AC and low hit points, and I had to add some cheese to get that effect.On the other hand, your lack of restraint is almost stunning.  The difference between the saves of the two characters you made and those of everyone else hardly needs to be pointed out yet again.  That was not done because your character should have good saves as part of his character concept, it was done because you could, and because you apparently have a phobia of rolling a d20.Ferrix admits that he is willing to lower his saves if you are, and he's the only person even remotely in the same ballpark, and only because he wants to be able to save against the same things that Isida chooses to throw at you and the other character you made.  I think that makes the consensus opinion that your saves are cheesy to a much greater degree than my AC.And, for that matter, if I thought I could get away with it, I would drop Duelist in a snap.  I really don't like having it on there, but the numbers of the people that I will be sharing melee space with necessitate it.Or how about this?  I'll drop it anyway, if you'll agree to do something about your saves, along with the rest of us.  If the Duelist level is bothering you all that much, if you demand perfection before you'll agree even to improvement, I'd be willing to do that.</blockquote>

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