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<blockquote data-quote="Gramcrackered" data-source="post: 1625237" data-attributes="member: 19168">Here's some further explanation.Fear save is caused by a menacing creature.&nbsp; Some judgement is clearly called for on that, but, regardless, the DC is equal to 8 + 1/2 the creature's HD + the creature's Cha modifier.Horror save is caused by witnessing scenes of terrible cruelty or simply things that shouldn't be.&nbsp; DC is largely up to the DM.&nbsp; Here's some examples:DC 5 = Sign of violence.&nbsp; Pool of dried blood, splintered door, etc.DC 8 = A decaying body.DC 10 = A scene of pain or suffering.&nbsp; A beggar ravaged by disease, a doctor sewing wounds shut, etc.DC 12 = A freshly slain corpse.DC 15 = A scene of terrible agony.&nbsp; Torture, involuntary transformation, etc.DC 20 = A scene of evil, cruelty and madness.&nbsp; Finding dismembered bodies that have been turned into marionettes, etc.DC 25 = Malign paradigm shift.&nbsp; In other words, when a character discovers that an important element of the surroundings is not only drastically &quot;wrong,&quot; but it has been so all along.&nbsp; Realizing that the characters are the only people in the town who AREN'T evil shapeshifter, discovering that the carriers of a plague epidemic are actually the victims of rampant vampiric feeding - and are still under the vampire's control, etc.Madness is a lot more complicated, so I won't bother to explain the DC of that sort of thing.As for the results of failed rolls...well...that involves a lot of charts and whatnot, so you're just going to have to wait and see how things go.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gramcrackered, post: 1625237, member: 19168"] Here's some further explanation. Fear save is caused by a menacing creature. Some judgement is clearly called for on that, but, regardless, the DC is equal to 8 + 1/2 the creature's HD + the creature's Cha modifier. Horror save is caused by witnessing scenes of terrible cruelty or simply things that shouldn't be. DC is largely up to the DM. Here's some examples: DC 5 = Sign of violence. Pool of dried blood, splintered door, etc. DC 8 = A decaying body. DC 10 = A scene of pain or suffering. A beggar ravaged by disease, a doctor sewing wounds shut, etc. DC 12 = A freshly slain corpse. DC 15 = A scene of terrible agony. Torture, involuntary transformation, etc. DC 20 = A scene of evil, cruelty and madness. Finding dismembered bodies that have been turned into marionettes, etc. DC 25 = Malign paradigm shift. In other words, when a character discovers that an important element of the surroundings is not only drastically "wrong," but it has been so all along. Realizing that the characters are the only people in the town who AREN'T evil shapeshifter, discovering that the carriers of a plague epidemic are actually the victims of rampant vampiric feeding - and are still under the vampire's control, etc. Madness is a lot more complicated, so I won't bother to explain the DC of that sort of thing. As for the results of failed rolls...well...that involves a lot of charts and whatnot, so you're just going to have to wait and see how things go. :P [/QUOTE]

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