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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7888539" data-attributes="member: 16814">That's a shift of the goal posts.  Your claim was that people said you can't play using a random choice mechanic or a standard procedure -- this was never said.  What was said was that you cannot make a decision once you know something as if you did not know it.  This is trivially obvious.  Example:  let's say you have to pick between two boxes.  You do not know their contents.  How you go about choosing a box, ie the actual decision making process, is up to you.  Say that you usually, absent better information, will pick the left hand box.  Or you'd roll a die.  All valid, absent information.But now, let's say that you do know that the lefthand box has something unpleasant in it -- something you'd avoid otherwise -- and the right hand box has a reward you'd normally chose.  At this point, you cannot make a choice absent this knowledge -- it's impossible.  Whatever you choose will be affected by having this knowledge.  If you choose to use your usual, ie pick the leftmost box absent better information, then you've already made a choice due to the information -- you've chosen to ignore the better information that says the left hand box is a poor choice.  This is what was being broached -- once knowledge exists, it cannot be ignored.  You CAN chose to do the rote left-hand choice by pretending you don't know better when you do, but you're making that choice against your knowledge, not absent it.  Your shift to arguing that someone said you cannot use a rote procedure or random choice is a strawman of the actual point.  Probably why there was so much confusion around your claim -- it's subbed in a trivial refutation for a simplistic (and incorrect) version of the argument actually made.  You cannot make a decision as if you did not have knowledge you do have, it's tautologically impossible.As for the relevance between the troll case and the choice of path case, I've made that argument upthread.  You've yet to engage it, so it's rather pointless to continue to discuss it if you cannot at least to the minimum of addressing the counterargument already made.</blockquote>

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