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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7890211" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>I do this all the time -- make choices from the standpoint of the character. It is, however, always a strain when you're asked to do so while ignoring information. I keep bringing up trolls and fire because this is a prime example of where it's not interesting or fun to pretend to ignorance. I have absolutely no problem, and often enjoy, pretending to ignorance for character action declarations in many situations, but that's not because I'm expected to ignore knowledge I have but because, armed with that knowledge, I think that choice would be the proper way to advocate for my PC.</p><p></p><p>The point isn't that you should make 'optimal' decisions armed with 'metagame' knowledge, but that the existence of situations where you're expected to do so is solely due to the DM creating that scene that way. It can be avoided, but not by the players, only the DM. Hence, if there's a fault to be had in a situation where people are complaining about metagame knowledge in play, that fault lies with the DM. If not one cares, it doesn't matter. People in this thread, though, appear to care, and seem to think it's a player-side issue -- they are not playing correctly. But, as I note, players don't have the choice to be put into this situation; that's the sole domain of the DM and so any blame for players not playing right falls on the DM's shoulders. Bad faith play exempted. I'm just pointing out that this "problem" of "metagaming" is easily solved on one side of the screen and unavoidable on the other.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7890211, member: 16814"] I do this all the time -- make choices from the standpoint of the character. It is, however, always a strain when you're asked to do so while ignoring information. I keep bringing up trolls and fire because this is a prime example of where it's not interesting or fun to pretend to ignorance. I have absolutely no problem, and often enjoy, pretending to ignorance for character action declarations in many situations, but that's not because I'm expected to ignore knowledge I have but because, armed with that knowledge, I think that choice would be the proper way to advocate for my PC. The point isn't that you should make 'optimal' decisions armed with 'metagame' knowledge, but that the existence of situations where you're expected to do so is solely due to the DM creating that scene that way. It can be avoided, but not by the players, only the DM. Hence, if there's a fault to be had in a situation where people are complaining about metagame knowledge in play, that fault lies with the DM. If not one cares, it doesn't matter. People in this thread, though, appear to care, and seem to think it's a player-side issue -- they are not playing correctly. But, as I note, players don't have the choice to be put into this situation; that's the sole domain of the DM and so any blame for players not playing right falls on the DM's shoulders. Bad faith play exempted. I'm just pointing out that this "problem" of "metagaming" is easily solved on one side of the screen and unavoidable on the other. [/QUOTE]
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